Mr. Hakujin Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Holy shitballs, I cannot wait for this fucking movie. I never saw the first one but was never that big a John Wayne fan anyways. God damn you, Irish. You make it so difficult to love you sometimes. So difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 was never that big a John Wayne fan anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 John Wayne is like a swimming pool, if you just sit there and toe the water it's cold and uninvitable and really just not all that enjoyable. You have to jump in to get the full effect, otherwise you're just that guy sitting there in the overly baggy t-shirt that's "doesn't feel like going in the water" despite the fact that he's A) Wearing swimming trunks and B) At a fucking pool. Moral of the story: if you're a western fan, eliminating John Wayne from your repertoire is like being a comic fan that despises all comics written before the 1980s. Oh wait. To be fair the way they used to make westerns is a bit uninviting at first, they tending to be more a collection of scenes and bits than full on stories like the westerns of the 70s, particularly the spaghetti westerns. But I think that was just a reflection of American cinema in general at that point in time and it was pretty hit or miss. Still, going from The Good the Bad and The Ugly to Angel and the Badman (which, by the way, is an example of a John Wayne remake that IS a crime) is kind of a rough transition that's not likely to go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 So I watched the original last night on cable in preparation for seeing the Coen's version either today or tomorrow. Anyone else seeing it this week or saw it yesterday when it opened? Fill your hands, you son of a bitch! That's gonna be one hard scene to top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Of all the dissapointed gifs you have in your little gif bag, why you gotta' use Bunk? I love Bunk. John Wayne is like a swimming pool, if you just sit there and toe the water it's cold and uninvitable and really just not all that enjoyable. You have to jump in to get the full effect, otherwise you're just that guy sitting there in the overly baggy t-shirt that's "doesn't feel like going in the water" despite the fact that he's A) Wearing swimming trunks and B) At a fucking pool. Moral of the story: if you're a western fan, eliminating John Wayne from your repertoire is like being a comic fan that despises all comics written before the 1980s. Oh wait. You see I haven't seen a whole lot of his movies, just bits and pieces when flicking through the channels and everytime I stop I just can't get past the fact that....he can't act. Am I just watching the wrong movies? Are there examples of where he acted successfully? As far as your comics crack (well played), can you please point me to the good story arcs pre 1980? Books that rival V For Vendetta, Watchmen, Year One (I'm not being a dick here, I really would love to read these) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 there's a reason i made that choice. you go think on that, and then watch Rio Bravo. alternately: The Searchers, The Shootist El Dorado, many others. focus on Rio Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 Saw it tonight and, well, yeah...it's about what you'd expect the Coen's to do w/ a re-make of Tue Grit. And don't be fooled by this talk the Bros. were doing about this not being a "remake" of the classic--it is. The ending is drastically different and there are a few other minor and major strays from the Duke's film (which I can only assume are more accurate to Charles Portis' original novel), but all the big beats and great Rooster scenes are here from the original film. The girl who plays Maddy Ross is a fucking phenom! This girl has talent. Bridges is no Duke, but he's a damn fine Rooster. The film kinda/sorta leaves a window for "continuing adventures" of Rooster and that would be fantastic to get an original Coen Bros. western starring Rooster--but that's unlikely. Damon is hilarious as LeBeef and has some great dialogue. And that's what really sets this film apart from the Duke's classic film--that witty, razor sharp dialogue. Brilliant stuff. My main complaint is w/ the directing, believe it or not. The original had a pace about it, and adventurous momentum that this remake lacks. It's by no means a plodding film, but it lacks that sense of excitement that helped make the original such a classic. All said and done, it's great film and has enough differences from the original (which, aside from the ending, are all good'uns) to make it a worthwhile re-make and a film which will likely take a place amongst other greats of the genre. there's a reason i made that choice. you go think on that, and then watch Rio Bravo. alternately: The Searchers, The Shootist El Dorado, many others. focus on Rio Bravo. And being an Irishman, you may also want to take a peek at The Quiet Man, ASC, which is probably my favorite film of The Duke's after True Grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 24, 2010 Author Share Posted December 24, 2010 but all the big beats and great Rooster scenes are here from the original film. The girl who plays Maddy Ross is a fucking phenom! This girl has talent. Bridges is no Duke, but he's a damn fine Rooster. The film kinda/sorta leaves a window for "continuing adventures" of Rooster and that would be fantastic to get an original Coen Bros. western starring Rooster--but that's unlikely. i always kinda hated the girl in the original, so that's good to hear, too. related: you ever see Rooster Cogburn & The Lady? its not a classic, but its a fun film if you wanted a "further adventures of" in the day. And being an Irishman, you may also want to take a peek at The Quiet Man, ASC, which is probably my favorite film of The Duke's after True Grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 i always kinda hated the girl in the original, so that's good to hear, too. ditto, which is why i was so pleased to see this actress carry off the part so well. she's gets more screen time in the Coen's version as well. related: you ever see Rooster Cogburn & The Lady? find me a .gif that expresses disgust and offense that this question was even posed and i'll edit it back in here as my reply. meh. it's hepburn as a cinese woman, but it's unanimated . *edit* better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 believe you wanted this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Heh. Good on ya, Nza. Let us know what you think when you see this damned thing already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I watched this yesterday. The commercials and trailers do not do the young actress' preformance any justice. I don't think the film hinged on her acting, but it was elevated by it. Just an all round well crafted film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Agreed on all counts, Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Masterfully done film, I don't remember if it was here they were talking about the speech patterns but they're actually more authentic given that the use of contractions is a fairly modern invention. It was equal parts Glen Ford and Cormac MacCarthy and they meshed together fairly well. As for the ending, I have no idea what anyone is complaining about... The ending was appropriate, Maddy was hungry for revenge, and she got it, but as is the case with all ugly things it came with a price. The bullshit sentimental scene between her and Rooster that happened at the end of the original is the main reason I bump it lower than the Duke's other finer works, it shows how little the film-makers grasped the meaning of the story. Maddy got her revenge, everyone went their separate ways. Things weren't bad by any means but there was no "You're gonna be buried right next to me, now go have adventures with Katherine Hepburn's dying career" and I pray there will be no further adventures of Bridges' Rooster. The ending was perfect and there's not a thing I would change about it, it wasn't bleak but it didn't waste time with sentimentality because this wasn't a sentimental tale. 10/10, I'll be more thorough later but Coens win for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 finally got around to watching with sen...goddamn, the coen bros do not let down. excellent casting all around (my god, the girl is 1000x better), every bit except the iconic "fill your hand..." one, im willing to agree with baytor that the dude handled better, and that's saying a lot from my duke-love. reading the last few posts: sen too found the ending jarring; perhaps i vaguely recall the original flick's ending, but i thought it quite fitting. bases were covered, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 As much as you go on and on about how great Westerns are as a genre, it's remarkable it took you this long to get around the one of the best modern ones since Unforgiven. Anyway, yeah, I'm sure you heard nothing but hype about Steinfeld's performance as Mattie Ross and were still highly impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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