alive she cried Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 We're just trying to keep it so that anybody who hasn't started the show yet doesn't get it ruined for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Jaysus, Eamonn. There's 5 seasons and over 100 episodes of mythology to discuss, which basically means anything about the show itself would need to be spoiler taggeded. If they haven't watched it then fuck off from the thread until such a time as said viewing has been completed. Otherwise only non-aired shyte needs to get spoiler tagged. It's a standard rule in TV discussion threads. I'll do my best though to tag it for the nins, but no promises that I'll get 'em all and ninnying about it will get tired after a while. In fact, kinda already has... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 waaaaaah my name is haku why i gotta use the spoiler tagz? waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 waaaaaah my name is haku why i gotta use the spoiler tagz? waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Hillbilly, you don't even watch this show. Sod off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 S6E1: confused? Click here for some explanations from Darlton. I loved this episode. So everyone was proven right about Smokey/MIB/Doppelganger Locke. I can't wait to get the origins of this guy who's apparently not a "monster" after all. And what/where/when is this home he wants to get to? My favorite seen was the one where Locke tells Ben what thoughts were going through Locke's head when he killed him. So powerful. And I love the fact we're gettign our cake and eating it too w/ the "flash-sideways" reality story of the flight never crashing and not just doing a hard "re-boot" where we loose the past 5 seasons of character development. I'm also curious as to how the islaond sank. And fuck you Darlton for making me watch Juliet die twice. Asshats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 Awesome. just can't get enough and can't wait for next week's episode. Sadly, wikipedia says that the season 6 premire had 12 million viewers while seasons 1-2 had like 20 million. I guess that's about the same as seasons 3-5. mabye the people that bitch about it being confusing will settle down in season 6. now we know about the smoke monster. i had thought it was more of a force of nature and basically the island's incarnation, a spirit rather than a personality. cause it would just kill and chase and do weird things. (besides ben controlling it that one episode) Was wrong there but so happy i predicted the possibility of it being jacob's enemy (almost impossible in the lost world). had an idea that jacob thought he knew what was right for the island and was sort of a god trying to make the best judgments for the island, but not a spirit. oh well, he wants to go home. i can't wait to find out how witmore and ben tie into this whole thing cause remember, whitmore is trying to get back on there and he's in cahoots with faraday's bitch mother, who helped the 6 get back (also thereby getting ben back too-supposedly NOT what whitmore wants). what are her motives? they just believe in fate and that that is what people are supposed to do? what are ben/whitmore's rules they go by? did you notice how ben's personality has totally changed now that he's not in charge and how helpless he seems when he's the one asking questions? just great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) I wouldn't call 12million people sad. I think the avg. number of viewers per episode last season was 7.5 million. So they picked up 4million people for the premiere. No small feat in a world of bitorrernt, DVRs, and TiVO. And I agree about the smoke monster/MIB being a personality changing things. He/It has a clear motive. I'm re-watching S3 now and it's really making me re-think the smoke's motives for killing Ecko. I now think it was because Ecko was too strong willed and would stand in Smokey's way of manipulating Locke off the island. There has to be some rule about him Smokey only inhabiting/taking the form of bodies of people that've died. Which makes it very confusing to decipher if the people Hurley sees on the island are "Real" dead people or Smokey. I agree, the motives behind Whidmore and Eloise seem to almost go along w/ what Smokey and not Jacob want. All I know is they're still raising more questions than giving answers. There're 16 episodes left, so, ya know. Get crackin' Darlton! Edited February 6, 2010 by Mr. Hakujin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) I wanna so agree with you about eko... but mabye it is simpler. he goes after people that want to stay on the island. mabye to prove jacob wrong and go home as the reward. he mentioned that "all they do is create wars, fight etc, it all ends the same." if the others are there, content and can travel freely between the island and the real world and do funky things that make them look bad, it creates a perfect group of people that would conflict with the oceanic survivors who want to go home. mabye that's why he locke. i don't know but it sounds good. mr eko also seemed somewhat content with being on the island. wouldn't it be cool if the end of the season they bring these two timetimelines together somehow? more questions - why does jacob hide himself from the others? what is the deal with christian shepard being missing all the time and then being everywhere at the same time? will syid now be a "slave" to the island? is that the reason why smoke monster had to have ben kill jacob? little tidbits here and there...mr monster also takes on the memories of the dead... most of the people from the tail end of the plane are dead... the others have killed a bunch of survivors... mr monster killed a bunch of survivors (including pilot, who knows why).. darhma is still dropping care packages??? (someone from darhma knows where the island is) im going nuts!!! Edited February 7, 2010 by spiffytee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Darlton said the mystery of Sayid's sudden return in the season opener will be explained fairly soon--like in the next few episodes. Some think he may be inhabited by Jacob. Interesting theory. Also, does Smokey really take on the memories of those who've died or does he just make it up? Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 wow, might just get a little weird seeing locke vs syid. i think doing that once would be enough, where one person would take on another's appearance as a main character. i am kinda sad to see the old locke go. how would it play out? each of them trying to manipulate a war against each other? i'm guessing that's what they'd do since they don't seem to fight. the two are god like creatures of the island. The show touches on concepts of fate and human choice. Gods using people as pawns during bets or simply games, with no regard for human life. Life and death and its permanence... all mixed in with sci-fi, mystery and faith. it's like they created their own little world with this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Yeah, Jacob & MIB/Smokey/Locke appear to have some "godlike" powers over fate/destiny and guiding people to make choices that would lead to some form of life changing event or repedmption--even if such guidance is w/ a very heavy stick. Although it would appear they are mortal, at least to some degree--can be killed, want to "go home." There was an interview Darlton did on EW that touched on theories in physics of "pocket" or "island" universes. They said to look to that for answers about "what" the island may be. They also said don't look for such definitive answers on HOW the island works b/c they think that'd take away from the show as a whole. In interviews and podcasts they often reference avoiding sounding "midichlorian" --in reference to Lucas' lame attempt to explain the Force--when giving out answers tot he show. A good thing to avoid IMHO. Edited February 7, 2010 by Mr. Hakujin midichlorians. bah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) Some think he may be inhabited by Jacob. Interesting theory. This is exactly what I thought. Especially as his voice sounds different after he wakes up, but I supoose he could just be a bit groggy, I'm sure dying takes a lot out of you. But yeah great episode. Edited February 8, 2010 by alive she cried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 well Haku, the second they said bring to temple, i thought of ben and how ben "belongs to the island" and would never be the same again. so if ben can kill jacob, maybe this is the loophole. and therefore sayid may be able to kill mib man.... this is probably why i didn't think the route of jacob taking sayid's body. however there is something else. the temple seems to be the home of the smoke monster because it's always around it. (why i thought smokey was the island's spirit and why ben could sort of control it, but that's not the case anymore) now how could the home of the smoke monster seam like part of jacob's camp? am i missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well any answer to your speculation is moot now, spiffy as we got our answer as to Sayid this episode. Overall this last episode was one of the most diasppointing hours of LOST I can recall watching. If this were a S4 or S5 episode, yeah, I could cut them some slack. But this is SEASON LAST! Step it up already, Darlton! My quick take on S6E3: The Good: *Sayid torture scene was intense. *Sawyer and Kate on the Dharma dock. *Evil/Infected/Rousseau-esque Claire shoots guy from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia! The Bad: *Writers give Hurley a lame self-aware joke about the show *Ditto for Miles--who talks to dead people yet oddly enough has questions for Sayiid about the afterlife. WTF? *Other Temple leader and his translator had horrible dialogue scenes The Ugly: *What, Jin wants to go looking for Sun? Shocker. *Kate pines for Sawyer. I'm over it. Grow the fuck up already Kate. *This Jack reconciling w/ the fact he's a "leader" and made an unpopular decision by blowing up "Jughead" and now must regain his confidence subplot. Shit better resolve itself soon b/c I don't know if I can take a whiny Kate, a grieving Sawyer, and a spineless (spinal surgeon lost his spine!) Jack all at the same time for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Just finished this episode. Agreed, not many questions answered here. Mr Haku, i don't think sayid question answered here unless you believe what the "others" say. how often do they give a straight answer? and who's darlton? The two stories in this season seem to be converging with what has happened on the island. jack's dad's body is lost and claire keeps the baby. mabye the reason why claire disappeared was because of the weird drugs they gave her when she was pregnant. what ever happened to sun's baby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Oh Spiffy, ye of non-LOST obsession... Darlton is the Brangelina-esque name given by fans to the two guys in charge of the show: Damon Lindelof + Carlton Cuse = Darlton. They do podcasts and shit and are celebs in the world of LOST fandom. Who/what Sayid is now is pretty much answered for me. I could be wrong, but the answer Japanese Other Guy gave was good enough for me. Sun & Jin's kid never got on the Ajira flight that Sun and the other Oceanic 6 got on. The baby is w/ Sun's mom back in Korea. But this makes me think of something, is Sun pregnant in "Sideways-verse"? Darlton has also said that these two storylines converging is going to be resolved in the finale. So more coincidences like the one w/ Ethan this week are more than likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 do share your sayid theory! btw, i thought that claire was dead because she kept showing up with christian shepard... there's another question! ethan a doctor. funny all the others recruiting doctors and labor specialists..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitant Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) I find the shows title to accurately portrays what happened to the original plot of the show. I stopped about 2 seasons back personally. (Yep, I know i'm setting myself up to be lynched by the Lost zealots. But seriously, it felt like nothing was ever getting accomplished.) Edited February 12, 2010 by Bindusara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 do share your sayid theory! btw, i thought that claire was dead because she kept showing up with christian shepard... there's another question! ethan a doctor. funny all the others recruiting doctors and labor specialists..... Ethan was a doctor in both realities. In S3 he was there with Richard Alpert recruiting Juliet. Also that was the reason he went after Claire. Ben even says Ethan was a surgeon, but WTF knows what that guy says is accurate. My Sayid theory is pretty much just what the show's implied already. He was shot and on the brink of death before Juliet blew up Jughead. He died and somehow either that jump or the fact the spring he was submerged in by the Others was polluted or some combination of the two has infected Sayid w/ the same "infection" that got Rousseau's team as well as Claire (apparently). Re dead Claire: I think one of the big questions the show really has to explain is why is the Shepherd family [Claire/Aaron/Christian/Jack] so important to the island and why did Claire appear w/ her dead father in Jacob's cabin? Was it really Claire or Smokey disguised as Claire or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 So, as it was obvious, this was an episode about Locke/fake Locke-Black Smoke. Not much happened here. What I really want to know now is: who the hell is the blonde kid. I think that the kid is Jacob somehow resurrected/rebooted. He looks kinda similar... What do you think its gonna happen to the guys in the temple. With every episode, The black smoke seems more and more less threatening and more logical, like when he says to Sawyer: "Its just a damn island!" BTW what do you guys think it would be the worse end to Lost? My guess would have to be that: Nobody survived the plane crash, and everything that happened its just the dilussions of a dying Jack Shepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 So, as it was obvious, this was an episode about Locke/fake Locke-Black Smoke. Not much happened here. What I really want to know now is: who the hell is the blonde kid. I think that the kid is Jacob somehow resurrected/rebooted. He looks kinda similar... What do you think its gonna happen to the guys in the temple. With every episode, The black smoke seems more and more less threatening and more logical, like when he says to Sawyer: "Its just a damn island!" BTW what do you guys think it would be the worse end to Lost? My guess would have to be that: Nobody survived the plane crash, and everything that happened its just the dilussions of a dying Jack Shepherd To paraphrase Hurley, "Not a lot happened? WTF are you talking about, dude!" SRSLY? Not a lot happened? We finally got the meaning (well at least a very BIG allusion to the meaning) of the numbers! We also learned the numbers have to do w/ why the Temple Others and Jacob are so keen on keeping certain members of the Oceanic 815 flight alive. Which, in case you didn't catch it, seems to be with them being potential candidates in taking Jacob--and/or Smokey Locke's place on the island as guardians of the island. And that right there is another big reveal. Many fans have speculated about this, but this is the first confirmation we've gotten. As for the ending, based on this week's episode I'd say EW columinst Doc Jensen called it right when he said the show will likely end with Locke as new-Jacob and Ben as new-Smokey on the island. This is completely possible even though real Locke is dead b/c Darlton has said that these two storyline sin S6 will somehow merge or cross into resolving one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) oh yeahhh now that you mention it... the numbers.. I never gonna watch Lost while im half asleep at 2 am again... Edited February 19, 2010 by Boogie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Yeah, Boog, definitely re-watch episode 4 wide-eyed and awake. You'll likely gain a new appreciation for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) bindusara, sorry to hear you dropped off watching the show. i think the reason a lot of people dropped off is cause the structure changed and it went from more story to more action. Also more questions were raised when in season 1 and 2 you kinda just brushed off the things that weren't answered right away. it isn't for people that are hungry to get the answers right away. Season 6 Ep 4 just came out at this time. I have been thinking about this a lot since I just finished episode 4 of season 6. Eagerly await the next episode, because I don't think this one gave us too much. Yes, it gave us the numbers, but i think it pointed me to this theory because of how smokey is "recruiting" and how dead people are used. But what pointed me to this theory is when smokey says - you can either do nothing, protect the island or get off the island. Amazing revelation about the island: This is a theory that I believe is going to really ruin it for you if it's true. It is the show's perception of "God" This explains how it can move, heal people, and has a yearning for "diciples/others" to have faith without explanations. This may also be the reason why jacob does not have direct communication with the others (faith).This is how Locke is chosen as the new leader. Other reasons that might point to this is that when Eko tried to build a church (worship another god) he was killed, the statue of the foot has been destroyed and the darhma folk were killed (science above faith). People must be "guided" to the island while they can leave the island (assuming they have the means) at any time. Similar to being guided to God by another person or the bible. Furthermore, no one alive on the island worships any particular god, or that may just be a coincidence. The alternate story presented in season 6 is a parallel universe, a what if situation where the writers are saying, what if there is a God, but no one knows about it (the island) So there it is at the bottom of the ocean, not physically, but metaphorically, but it really truely exists when people believe in it. Obviously, smokey was a man before and wants to go home. He is bound by rules for some reason has seen Ben kill locke and thus found an oppurtunity to use locke's appearance to get join the others. He starts to see Ben as someone that has no longer has the faith and that is his loophole. Either way he serves or protects the island but does not beleve anymore. If he can get all the names of those on the wall to leave or die, he might be able to go home. So you can either do nothing (believe in god but go about your business), protect (have faith in) the island or get off the island (shun God). Whether or not this is the case, I am sure there will be comparisons like this sometime soon. I am still up in the air with sayid and claire but i don't think they both are "infected" Edited February 22, 2010 by spiffytee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Interesting theory Spiffy. But are you talking God in the Judeo-Christian sense or as in something else? I tend to think the producers would lend more to the latter and not so much one all powerful being. Also I'd say rather than representing God or in essence being a physical manifestation of God on Earth, the island is a microcosm of the entirety of human existence--a literal balance between good and evil. Now whether it's a separate balance unto itself, or the literal balance of Good and Evil in the world manifested as people (Such as Jacob & Locke-ness Smoke Monster) is unclear to me for now. As for this week's episode, S6E5: I liked the Claire scenes and Jack's flash-sideways.The theme for the flash-sideways thus far seems to set it up as their lives are just as miserable off the island then the character hits some life changing or "ah-ha" moment for the better during the course or at the end of the flash. LA X: Jack & Locke find comfort and hop in their encounter What Kate Does: Claire ends up realizing she can raise Aaron on her own. The Substitute: John realizes he has to live the life he has and not the one he wants. Lighthouse: Jack avoids making the same mistakes as his father with his son. Next week better be good after that promo they gave at the end of this episode as well. Aslo I dug the commercial where the V chick came on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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