alive she cried Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Wolverine has been written by stupider. I hate bringing "well he lost to The Kangaroo" or some shit into the argument. Look at Batman's abilities, skills and experience then look at Wolvie's. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The odds are definitely not in his favor, but you aren't taking into account the gadget-factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 That's the best you have? Gadgets? Brucey's goin' down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Yeah. That's the best I have. And it's significant.  Other things to keep in mind: *Wolverine can only attack at close range. *Wolverine's joints are not adamantium, he can be incapacitated (albeit briefly) by a well placed blow. *Wolverine's enhanced senses make susceptible to sonics, which are a staple of Batman's repertoire. *Anti-Wolverine spray  Now, I tend to agree with you at the end of the day. In a fight to the death, Wolverine just has to outlast Batman. And he would. But I don't think it would be a cake walk. Batman would give him hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 There's also the fact that Wolverine is in many ways similar to DC villains Vandal Savage and Ra's Al Ghul, both of whom Batman has beaten single-handedly on numerous occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 once again, batman's punching well above his weight class here, and only reasonably stands a chance if written by some chuck norris level deus-exing here. Â batman'd be "a good fight" (but ultimately lose) to Cap. he'd be a great fight against Daredevil. but ? i get logan's point about soincs and such, but again, he's older/more experienced (go read the Rucka run), he's kept moving through far, far worse, and for all intents & purposes, unstoppable. with a few months of planning, anti-wolvy spray and Bueno Excellente at the finish line, Bats could take a win for a little bit. take out any of those factors and his chances do not look good. Â TL;DR - spawn killed bats, wolvy can kill spawn i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Well. My fav char is wolverine. But batmans already beaten cap (marvel vs dc #3). Wolverine n batman would be a stale mate, if you believe experience cancels out "how many gadgets a rich guy can pull outta his ass all at once". Â Though marvel vs dc had a voter system goin. So the writers didn't upset anyone. And so to assure there wasn't any anarchy by either wolvie or fatman fans (or both if they copped out n tied them), they made batman fight someone less popular like cap, and wolverine, lobo. I mean wolverine in space??? Common man. That's like the x- men's BA barrakas (obviously exaggerating). Â But all jokes aside, it depends on what kinda settings n subject to the boobery of the writers, no? I try very hard not to think about this subject. Thanks a lot guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 :wrong: Â Â i don't know what just happened, but i think Iceman just shut logan & baytor's smarmy mouths somewhere in there. checkmate, gentlemen. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Lol the anti wolverine spray could be very real you know. Â Â Like insta-rust... But I'm sure wolvie keeps in touch w saber tooth tigers w lime-away spit. Yea if we're talkin bout the 90s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Sorry, nobody's even countered my point about the two immortals that Batman fights on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 yeah those points were really worth addressing  did you know recently beat the devil, while we're talking about boring stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaon Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Honestly, how many heroes that have fought the devil haven't? Edited May 2, 2012 by Lycaon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 spawn constantine morpheus  i know there's others i'm forgetting here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 You're right, it's unimportant that he has two Wolverines of his own to practice on regularly, ones with entire armies at their disposal at times. But they don't have claws so it doesn't count. Â Did he beat the Devil or did he beat Mephisto? The difference is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 am i supposed to list the people fights like batman or something? immortality isn't exactly the only factor here; unbreakable, relentless fighting machine with over a century of experience is, moreso. he's been overpowered for years. Â pretty sure it was just regular ol' devil, it was an awful arc i couldn't finish to be honest. looked more like malebolgia than mephisto, whom is more busy doing divorce attorney work these days, but then i haven't really been impressed ever since that time galactus made him look like a bitch (thank you for that, Wizard villain book). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Yeah, Marvel's Satan kinda blows. It honestly perplexes me that his kids are so badass since he's never put up much of a fight. Â Â *cough*Punisher beat Wolverine, Batman beat Punisher*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 aw using ennis' punisher is even cheaper than my miller's spawn though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I'm just playing the game by the rules you sat out before me, good sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Uh isn't wendigo immortal? And apocolypse aint a walk in the park, either. Plus the hand w the Yakuza n the hand probable has some inmortals' baby mommas in there somewhere... Edited May 2, 2012 by IceManML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The important detail there is Wolverine usually has help, the number of heavy hitters he's tackled solo is pretty small. (And the Hulk so does not count) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 That's another writers thing you're talking about. And why doesn't wolverines ultimate arch nemesis count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 what? hulk so counts! Â also: Â Â Â broke his bone claws on galactus' heel, galactus did not even notice as i recall. jumped on the collector's ship and tried to "free" all the races on it; sadly, they were endangered ones hiding via a cloaked device that wolvy fucked up, so galactus ated them. hahaha, great job man! that's one for the books. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Hulk doesn't count because all Wolverine's wins against him were either because he had help or because The Hulk is too powerfully retarded to even breath. In the lead up to World War Hulk the Green Scar made pretty short work of him by making him punch drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) What you're saying is pretty incredulous. When wolverine fights the hulk it's 1v1. That is one of marvel's most sacred recurring matchups dude. World war hulk doesn't count. That's like referring to the age of apocalypse trying to figure out the logic on magnetos magic magnetic condom. Get a reading chair and read most preferably these: Â Â Edited May 2, 2012 by IceManML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 His one on one match-ups either end with A) Him tricking the Hulk because it's dumb-Hulk or B) Some outside force be it Wendigo, The X-Men, or in one case two entire clans of Savage Land tribes and a big fucking T-rex, o C) Because it's Joe Fixit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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