Panch Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 While I agree with you that Batman Begins was not better than the first two Spider-Man movies, it IS infinitely better written. The dialog in that movie is the best I've seen in almost ANY movie. Go back and watch it and pay close attention. It's amazing. Dark Knight's dialog isn't even as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitant Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I just think Bane is such a rough choice for this movie. I mean he's really only known for breaking the bat and unless Noland thinks he can magically resolve that in one movie, people are going to be disappointed. Edited January 20, 2011 by Bindusara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I just think Bane is such a rough choice for this movie. I mean he's really only known for breaking the bat and unless Noland thinks he can magically resolve that in one movie, people are going to be disappointed. He can resolve it by telling the story leading up to breaking Batman's back, I assure you there was quite a lot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I just don't get the Anne Hathaway cast. Are they making this movie half romantic comedy? Fuck if I know their thinking, but who knows... people were up in arms for Heath Ledger and look how that turned out. I, for one, want to say I think Anne Hathaway is a great actress and a great choice. As you said, everyone thought Ledger was an awful choice, and most people came away from TDK think he surpassed, or at least delivered on par with, Nicholson, so give him some credit for maybe being able to see something in actors we do not. Hathaway has been in plenty of dramatic roles, not just romantic comedies, but more importantly, she does a good job in everything I've seen her in. The projects I've seen her in haven't always been the greatest things ever, but she's always been good in them. I have no reason to believe she won't be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitant Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 He can resolve it by telling the story leading up to breaking Batman's back, I assure you there was quite a lot of it. Very true. I actually own the Knightfall book and found Banes back story to be pretty engrossing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 again though, if Hathaway sucks, bear in mind how much you've loved the last 2 bat-films with shitty female leads anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Oh and a final point to almost evereybody in this thread: Shut the fuck up, Nolan created one of the best comic book movies of all time and then created one of the greatest films of all time to follow up. He made possibly the best movie of last year, and has a pretty good record outside of these movies. So shut up, go the cinema when The Dark Knight Rises comes out, hand over your hard earned cash, watch one of the greatest comic book movies of all time, leave delighted, log on to Hondo's, admit you were an idiot for doubting Nolan in the first place. It's cute that Nolan's your new Scorcese but Zac Snyder's the only comic movie maker I trust implicitly not to fuck a project up. Batman Begins are pretty good(not the scion you're making it out to be) and Dark Knight was not bad for two whole fucking movies duct-taped together. There isn't even a unit of measure for how overhyped Inception is. It was an okay movie. Nicely made and quite the stellar cast. It was no Fight Club or Godfather 2 though, or even a Memento for that matter. Your point here is about as relevant as me saying you all should give Spiderman 3 a pass because Raimi made the Evil Dead & Darkman. Panch- Of course the Batman movies were better written with richer dialogue. Batman's the choice deli cut to Spiderman's Spam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 except spidey 3 happened, and was awful. Nolan's not let down on a bat-film yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panch Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 But neither had Raimi before Spidey 3. Something to think about. As for Jay's cold cuts comment: fuck you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Alright, my analogy was based on pre-viewing and the idea that you aren't all ungrateful cunts. The more I think about it despite the size thing I'm coming to be more okay with the Tom Hardy casting. I mean, say what you will about Wolverine: Origins but Liev Shcrieber(lots of sp) was about the only thing right with it, and the casting of a little guy for Bane at least tells us Nolan's going to use the brain part more than the muscle. In the interest of further specualtion of plot- You think they'll get into the possible stepbrother angle and maybe have some Black Hand society stuff? But neither had Raimi before Spidey 3. Something to think about. As for Jay's cold cuts comment: fuck you. I mean no disrespect to the Spiderfranchise, I'm talking accessibility. Batman writing's generally working on a completely different plane of existence to Spidey. When Batman operates in a Spiderverse, that's your Adam West stuff right there(and to a lesser extent Schumacher). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panch Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Spider-Man's story is better than Batman's (I'm talking about the comics now), but filmwise its irrelevant. They're both comic book movies, but they aren't the same at all. The first two Spidey films are, in my opinion, just better/more entertaining movies (not saying Begins isn't amazing in itself). What gets me about Begins is the dialog (maybe not so much the writing if that makes sense). The dialog is maybe the best I've seen a movie period. I'm telling you... watch it again, but JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE DIALOG. It's gonna blow your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Challenge accepted. Doing this tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Agreed, Batman Begins has some classic lines. But I think it's a perfect storm of casting, plot, direction, and dialogue that make it a great film. Ditto for TDK. except spidey 3 happened, and was awful. Nolan's not let down on a bat-film yet. +1 As it stands now in the world of comicbook-filmdom, Raimi is 2:1 while Nolan is 2:0. Edited January 21, 2011 by Mr. Hakujin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Chill, man. I'm witcha on the Nolan love. I'm just fanning the fanboy flame, right now. I wasn't having a pop man, most of that was tongue in cheek. (But I still stand by the sentiment) It's cute that Nolan's your new Scorcese Scorsese is still my Scorsese, Nolan just also makes great movies Your point here is about as relevant as me saying you all should give Spiderman 3 a pass because Raimi made the Evil Dead & Darkman. Not really, as I pointed out already. Raimi had the studios breathing down his neck demanding Venom when he obviously hated the character, very hard to make a good movie under those conditions. Nolan has none of that shit, he's in the exact same position now as Coppola was before Godfather II, the studios will do whatever he asks because....money. Also, pointing at Evil Dead as an example of something's that good is a little silly to me, it's the visual ramblings of a 19 year old fan of tentacle rape porn and gore...not really my cup of tea to be honest. (I like my rape porn without the tentacles thank you very much) say what you will about Wolverine: Origins but Liev Shcrieber(lots of sp) was about the only thing right with it, Hey, we agree (I miss that) Finally as an aside, I really think people are remembering Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 a little too fondly. Rewatching Spider-Man and then comparing it to The Dark Knight, Sin City, Watchmen, Iron Man, it doesn't really hold up if we're being honest. Spider-Man 2 was solid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitant Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) (I like my rape porn without the tentacles thank you very much) Seconded. Edited January 21, 2011 by Bindusara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 oh, man...if you're worried spidey 1 wont hold up, dont go back and watch X-men 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alive she cried Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 oh, man...if you're worried spidey 1 wont hold up, dont go back and watch X-men 1. Tell me about it. I rewatched that last year, it was pretty poor, except for Jackman, he nailed Wolverine perfectly in those early scenes, him in the cage and him cutting the shotgun in half in the pub especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 they call 'em Bars over there, the silly cunts. Whoever heard of smacking your mum upside the head with a pub? Spidey & Xmen haven't aged well but they were the first bold steps toward what we have now, so they don't necessarily have to. Sequels to both are rock-fuckin'-solid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jables Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I think the point we can all agree on is, Spiderman 1 was just organic Webshooters and erect nipples in the rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panch Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh god... ... I just jizzed in my pants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 they call 'em Bars over there, the silly cunts. Whoever heard of smacking your mum upside the head with a pub? Spidey & Xmen haven't aged well but they were the first bold steps toward what we have now, so they don't necessarily have to. Sequels to both are rock-fuckin'-solid though. I think Tim Burton, Michael Keaton, and Jack Nicholson circa 1989 would have something to say to that malarky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 yeah, your point would stand if there wasnt like 10+ years of box office failures following it that all but buried comic movies again until marvel showed them as profitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I think Tim Burton, Michael Keaton, and Jack Nicholson circa 1989 would have something to say to that malarky. In the pantheon of comic book movies that haven't aged well, Tim Burton's Batman is the pinnacle. I don't know if it's the horribly miscast Jack Nicholson, the mildly miscast Michael Keaton (seriously, you get one of the greatest most animated character actors in the world and make him play a gravely reserved badass?), or the overall Tim Burton-yness of the whole thing but it does not hold up to the test of time. I mean it's not as hard to watch as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but it's not for lack of trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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