The NZA Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 "The Ethical Rot Behind 'Before Watchmen' and '[Marvel's] The Avengers'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Jack Kirby is dead, people need to let that go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 it'd be nice if he got credit/royalties for the universe he built, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I've read the fine print on a lot of Jack Kirby's stuff and his name is on it. I don't think the movie should be called JACK KIRBY'S THE AVENGERS. That's unneccesary and to be honest he didn't have much of a hand in creating any of the current Avengers roster except Captain America. I mean, yeah, he should get paid royalties but Marvel aren't the only ones that owe that, DC as well. The author of the article spent the whole time complaining about how Jack couldn't get copies of his own art back and had to sign horrible contracts to do so: that's a fair gripe but Jack Kirby is dead and any of the people in the company at the time are probably long gone. The current guard at Marvel/DC should really probably do something about this but it has no bearing on the fucking Avengers movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 a) there would be no avengers without kirby. b) the unreleased art is why marvel lost miller (you know, the guy you think is on par with moore) and a lot of other talent. the root of the problem is why you saw the image exodus of '92, and even with their icon line, it's still a problem: Marvel (nor DC) do not give their due to the men who built their houses. i get that's not a problem for my favorite contrarian reading another article on the interent, but for one of my favorite dying industries with a fundamentally broken business model (creator-owned rights being a symptom of that), i don't think it's as simple as "kirby's dead, so are the bad guys lol" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinestetici Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 As for Moore, let me put this in simple words in large print, you can make it my member title if you like. I DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THAT ALAN MOORE WRITES . It's like...you took a knife, and then stabbed me in a kidney with it. And now, our love can never be. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Sorry. Just not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I blame your thinly veiled puritan ideals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinestetici Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I blame the lack of comics written in braille, because surely you're blind. Otherwise how could you read and then not instantly fall in love with Alan Moore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It's really no use Sin. Bottom line, he probably doesn't like it because so many people told him he should. This is the 'Baytor effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 why do your views seem to just be polar opposites of universal critical acclaim?™ baytor: sin; sin: baytor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinestetici Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We should put you in a zoo. So people can come from all over and see the only person on the face of the planet who doesn't appreciate Moore's contribution to the art that is literature :( I keeed. Kind of. Seriously though, on a scale of 1 to 10, how blind are you? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Bottom line, he probably doesn't like it because so many people told him he should. This is the 'Baytor effect. If anything people telling me I should like something makes me try to like it more. I cite Warren Ellis again, I used to despise him and then just found out I was reading the wrong books. Inversely: dipping into Frank Miller and Garth Ennis' back catalogs was a bad idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 So I just finished The Bojeffries Saga. Kind of read like an Addams Family comic written by Gary Larson. I laughed here and there but I'm not really big on British non-sequitor humor. It was okay. Next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I'm not really big on British non-sequitor humor. People like this exist? Sex with Ginda is the standout for me. "My eyes protrude stiffly, twin peaks of desire" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I like absurdity, I just don't like "weird for the sake of being weird" it's a razor-thin line I'll admit. Sex with Grinda and the one about the Rent Man were the highlights for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I dunno man. It's hard to nail down something for you. ? So you like traditional comics. Have you ever read Captain Britain? The Jaspers' Warp/Crooked World Saga? It wouldn't be my first choice, but the stuff I like is mostly eliminated. Apparently Marvel thought it was influential enough to keep using the numbered universe designations that Alan Moore created (616 etc). Edited April 22, 2012 by Thelogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Eh, I suppose I'll give it a shot, have you got anything non-superheroes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Have you read Top 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Nope, getting it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Ah, cool. That's a good one. I found it works best if you read it like one of those Law & Order type shows, where everybody talks fast and talks over each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) Stupid God damn Firefox went all crazy and crashed as I was winding down my thoughts of Minutemen #1. In a nutshell as I can't be bothered typing all that up again: I liked it. Very much so. Cooke's off to a flying start, and while I had assumed that this would be the case he really has killed in in terms of tone and structure. Can't believe I lost that fucking post. That's definitely some Alan Moore black magik shit right there. Son of a gun. I may try again later when I'm not punching the air and swearing. Edited June 6, 2012 by Testes McManballs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panch Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I liked it too. Still, I think it was missing something. You know how the city of NY was kind of a character in Watchmen. The rich backgrounds of shops and streets and stuff that Gibbons so awesomely placed in each panel? That wasn't there for this. Still, I was surprised how well the writing was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Just read Silk Spectre #1 & Comedian #1. Both were damned good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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