The NZA Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 ah, glad you liked it! Hawkeye's a tougher call given your prior love/knowledge of the character; i adore the book but he might not have the voice you're used to. ive had that happen before - it's rare you get a book like when ryan put me onto Ghost Rider...i had very little knowledge of said characters but it was fun for me & him both. and yeah, ive read runs here & there but agreed that kelly's deadpool run was my last consistent one in years. lemme know if that turns out good. ps im sure im repeating myself, but if you ever wanna enjoy Thor, it's kinda like Superman: there's a few legitimately great arcs & a lot you wont give a shit about unless you really get into the character/are forgiving, for me it goes: 1) Simonson's epic Ragnarok run (amazing if you love norse mythology) 2) i remember loving Warren Ellis' Worldengine run, it's short and has Deodato jr art before he reinvented his style 3) Dan Jurgens had a fun one in the early 2000's called dark gods or something 4) JMS/Colpiel (?) had a good run a few years back too 5) i want this/a few arcs to finish before nominating the current one but i love the creative team (agreed that Esad should do more interiors), but you can see from what we've got the potential's there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 WorldEngine's proving frustratingly hard to find. Also been sitting on Simonson's run for a bit now. I Might've read an issue or two of JMS/Copiel's book, they relaunched with floating Asgard in the Midwest, right? I've just picked up the first arc of Fraction's Hawkeye too. The way I read his name with such reverence has had me curious about Iron Man for a minute now too. Thanks for the recomendations though, It's stupid-o'clock here and the holidays really fucked my sleep cycle so I'ma go read that Deadpool and hope that puts me where I need to be doze-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Don't forget Garth ennis' Vikings mini. I don't think it's even canon, but it's basically a horror comic. It's a good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Still iffy about this Deadpool book because for every solid joke there's pant-on-head mayhem which admittedly could be par for course including my much-hated 4th wall breaking. Until they broke out the Arrested Development quote. That makes up for most things. Additionally, there's a healthy respect for continuity here with all sorts of tidbits/random Marvel facts peppered throughout the issues thusfar. Idunno. I like it, but it might just be a little too zany for me to religiously stick with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 You don't like the forth wall breaking and prefer a serious take on the character? A few years ago I read the full original series, it was the longest goddamn 60 these I've ever read. There were a few gems, especially toward the end, but mostly it was boring 90's bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I don't want a serious take on Deadpool at all, I'm just saying that 4th wall-breaching ruins immersion for me and that content spoiler that I guess has already been spoiler by the posted cover somewhere previously Wade shooting his way through a series of reanimated evil president zombies is just too off-the-wall for my liking. I DID put a caveat on whoever came after Joe Kelly and before Palmiotti because that stretch was terrible, but you seriously didn't rate volume 1 at all? Personally, I'd nominate #11(the switcheroo with ASM #47) as one of my favourite single issues ever. Panchlation: Deadpool's a great character, but me, I like my comic relief to actually be a relief from a straight line context. Zany on top of zany just loses me, but part of that is probably because I'm a damned Robot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 no, i get burned out by zany-for-the-sake-of-zany Wade as well; prolly my fault for trying to keep up last year when he had like 3 series going, but they go nowhere and they're not always funny. the dynamic he added to the last X-Force book though, that was cool for me. his "kills the marvel U" book was atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 the dynamic he added to the last X-Force book though, that was cool for me. Nailed it. I only read #35 the other day but I already miss that book and have no faith that it's two replacement titles will hold a candle to it's brilliance. Not to mention the Wade/Evan stuff was actually pretty touching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Over-zany Wade can get tiresome but not as tiresome as "totally serious" Wade. Those 60 issues of his original series were the longest 60 issues I have ever read in my life, if it wasn't for the fact that there was a good one or two ever ten or so issues I never would've made it to the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Arright, I recall what you're talking about now. This was his 'trying to bang Siryn and become a better hero' thing you're referring to right? Fair call, I still loved Kelly & Palmiotti's runs though. I'ma go find out what became of T-Ray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The trying to bang Siryn part wasn't bad, but yes the "no killing" and trying to become a worthy superhero so he can fulfill the prophecy plotline they dragged on for like 30 issues was dull as fuck. And the origin story with the big orderly named Ajax that came back and fought him, it was bad. Now the Palmiotti run (and the Gail Simone run that followed) were both great. The series really shined in those last 12 or so issues, unfortunately the only other highlights were when Deadpool ended up in that old Spider-Man issue and when Doctor Bong was his psychiatrist. The Joe Kelly run was inoffensive but not terribly impressive, it was about on par with Christopher Priest's run but not near as bad as the section where he lived with Constricter and Not-Thundra and looked like "Thom Cruz" (though the Lobo cameo was amusing) T-Ray was dealt with by the end of the series and I'm fairly sure that he joins Blind Al, Weasel, that chubby German pilot, the psychic guy with no skin, the holographic imager, and teleporter belt in limbo where they will never ever be mentioned or acknowledged ever again. And that's fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldron Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I liked blind al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Both compelling points. That Punisher crossover made me really want to see that gold bull at the New York Stock Exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I liked Blind Al the comedic relief, not Blind Al the tragic victim. You just can't have him rearranging furniture so she'll trip over it in one issue and then locking her in a torture box like a husband in a Lifetime movie in another. The issue where she tells Weasel about the guy she was in love with who helped break her out only for her to get to their meeting place and find Deadpool sitting there, it was a good story but it didn't fit his character at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 love the first name, don't care at all for the second sadly oh yeah this looks cool too, gotta hunt this one down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Brian Wood interview Marvel.com: What do you view as the greatest advantage/benefit to writing an all-female cast? Brian Wood: Personally, a high comfort level in writing women. I've always written female characters, going all the way back to my first book ever, and I'm known for it. But that aside, the X-Men are full of truly excellent female characters. I would say that on balance, the women rule the men in the x-world, hands down. It's a real anomaly in comics, and I think it’s what makes the X-Men both special and successful—and appealing to all genders and all types. You can see this reflected in the fan base. So I get great women to write, complicated, complex, multi-faceted, flawed, wonderfully relatable characters, and here is this series where all that can shine. It's a no-brainer, I think, and anyone ready to dismiss it is missing what the X-Men is all about I LOVE WOOD also it's kinda weird storm & psy are wearing their X-Force gear, but no one seems to notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrizzle Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I really appreciate them not calling it X-Women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 hadn't even thought of that, but now i'm glad too. since the skin here's being a bitch about splitting, i wanted to leave this for a future merging with the Deadpool thread, kinda highlights what JZA was saying about X-Force letting Wade breath a bit, i thought: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Oh definitely, things like this work as nice breathers. Thunderbolts is currently using Wade pretty much perfectly (honestly, probably the only thing it's doing right so far) where he's just the right mix of serious and funny. It works well. His own series often tries to make him into Marvel's Ambush Bug, which is kind of annoying at times (especially when Marvel already has their own Ambush Bug) But you've got to make the seriousness feel organic. The Palmiotti and Simone runs of volume 1 did that fairly well, that's why they were better than the ultra forced "I'm the chosen one, maybe I shouldn't kill people to be a better person. Oh look at my blind slave, her predicament is super hilarious except when it isn't all the sudden for some arbitrary reason." I remember when they very briefly toyed with the idea of making the 4th wall breaking into a serious plot point but the writers, I'm assuming, probably realized they were writing Deadpool and not Animal Man (to be fair, it was even fucking retarded in that book by the end) and moved on to the whole "Loki's my dad" thing. And don't get me started on the "Who is the REAL Wade Wilson" storyline which thankfully got retconned as bullshit before the series ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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