Guild Wars 2

[Thelogan]

Guild Wars is a free-to-play MMO. The first one was fun for a bit, but I was discussing with a friend that it really lacked endgame content and depth.

 

This one looks pretty badass. CJ has been on the beta and has good things to say.

 

Releases in 2 weeks with a preorder.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm gonna get in on the ground floor with this. We should pick a server.

[Maldron]

Fuck yes. I just bought a new computer just for this, and I'm redownloading the client to it as I type.

 

FUCK. YES.

 

Game's gorgeous, game's fun, game's got no monthly fees.

 

None of those things are the manifesto vid.

 

 

FUCK YEAH

[Maldron]

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-worlds-of-guild-wars-2/

 

All things being similar, I spent most of my beta hours in Fort Aspenwood, so I'd set up my permanent residence there too.

[Thelogan]

So there aren't any different server types?

 

If not, Fort Aspenwood it is.

[Maldron]

PvP is all arena-based, as I understand it, but the real meat of it's gonna be WvWvW, where your realm competes for dominance against two others over the course of a season, after which the realms you compete with are rotated. Never got into PvP much in beta because i wasn't on this beast machine thinger. But I'm still stoked to check it out.

 

Oh, and Realm transfers can be bought with cashshop currency (which you can buy with in-game currency) and you can "guest" on a realm to play with friends who roll on other servers.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Maldron

[Thelogan]

What class did you play in Beta? I watched about 30 mins of youtube videos detailing them all. I'm leaning towards a couple.

Engineer looks like a mix of a shaman and a survival hunter. Looks like fun. A ranged Thief might be for me too. I gravitate towards the ranged classes that aren't "clothies".

 

Also, did everyone play a Guardian? While I was watching it, my first thought was "that looks pretty cool" and my second thought was "jesus, like 70% of the bads are gonna be this thing".

Edited August 15, 2012 by Thelogan

[Maldron]

I started with Guardian, but it didn't Gel with me. I spent most of my beta time as an Engineer, who was pretty cool. They have a limited weapon set to work with, but their class abilities allow them to equip toolkits. Flamethrower toolkit gave me a few crowd control abilities, and fire. Grenade toolkit let me blow shit up, and another one let me repair my turrets and go all gordon freeman up against jerks heads with a crowbar. It was neat, each class ability from 5-8 put a new ability in my F1-F4 - so each toolkit added five abilities, and each other ability added two new moves.

 

I briefly played thief, but that was a few iterations ago.

[Thelogan]

Time to sell some copies.

 

Things I hate in MMORPGs and how GW2 addresses it:

 

*** Problem 1: Too much "single player" experience. The "MM" is for "massively multiplayer" and in many other games, I might as well be playing by myself offline.

 

Solution: Virtually everything you do in this game is an "event". You run into a small village and it's under attack by bandits. Some players are already there fighting the bandits and you'll see a progress meter for how the fight is going (the bandits may have their own goal, and they may be winning). You don't have to find a "quest giver" or join anyone's group or anything like that -- just start fighting bandits. The goal is shared by everyone in the area. Everywhere you go, you'll find this sort of thing going on so you're constantly around other people who are sharing a progress meter with you. (Rewards are contribution based, similar to 'rift events' in Rift or 'public quests' in Warhammer, so you aren't directly competing with anyone. It doesn't matter who hit the bandit first or who got the finishing blow, so long as you did something...hit the bandits, heal other players, throw buffs around, whatever.)

 

There are still true soloable (instanced) storyline quests specific for your race/class and there are single-group (instanced) dungeons but the bulk of the PvE game is built around these open world, open participation events.

 

*** Problem 2: I can't play with my friends because we aren't the same level.

 

Solution: If I'm level 60 and you're level 15, I can go back into your area and play with you. I will get temporarily de-leveled so that the area is still a challenge for me.

 

*** Problem 3: "The Quest Sync Game" / I still can't play with my friends. I have quests F,G,H and I. You have quests A,H and J. I can't share quest F with you because you have to complete A-E first, which I already did and can't do again. We can do H together but I can't do J with you until I finish quest I. We get in sync and now you need to log off for a while and my other friend logs on and "The Quest Sync Game" starts all over again. It's ridiculous.

 

Solution: The game being built around "events" rather than quest lines solved this problem too. You actually don't have a quest log. You sort of get something like that but it's really just telling you where to GO. You don't need to complete A in order to do B. You can always do B. You can complete B and go back later and do it again if you really want to. You can skip B and go straight to H if you want. You can't skip forward beyond your level (as far as I know) but you don't need to follow some linear quest system, either. Therefore there is no "quest sync game". I log in, I ask where you are, I go there, I join in, no problem.

 

*** Problem 4: "LFM, need tank". No tank? Well you can't play the game then. You're a healer? Sorry, we're full up on healers and can't use you and in fact you'd ruin the group. (I *still* can't play with my friends! Oh wait and now the group is full.)

 

Solution: Some games address this by letting you switch roles to one degree or another. GW2 solves it by simply destroying the entire concept of the "holy trinity" -- tank/healer/dps. The first big thing they did to destroy it was they removed "taunting". You CAN spec your character to be tank-like, able to take a beating, but there is no taunt mechanic so you can't simply stand there and get beat on. The other big thing they did was to remove the concept of the "dedicated healer". You can spec your character to be more heal-like, but you'll never come close to what the dedicated single-target healers of other games can do.

 

The result is a far more dynamic combat system. No more eating chips and watching TV while mashing "3" over and over during a dungeon fight. You need to be focused on the battle because nobody can hold agro, you are responsible for your own survival and while every class has options for defense and self-healing, you need to pay attention to do it. Some people may actually not like this (many bad gamers will feel disenfranchised) but to me this makes it more of a "fun action game" and less of a "mild distraction while watching TV".

 

*** Problem 5: "The wolves! They are attacking! We shall all die if you do not slay 20 of them!" (Player looks around, there are 8 wolves standing around doing nothing, which is all they ever do. After slaying 20 of them, there are still 8 wolves, still standing around doing nothing. And every quest is a slight variation of this, until you get the idea that the game world's inhabitants are just paranoid crazy people because there's never any actual, apparent threat to any of them. Even the "vile orcs" just sit around in their camps and do nothing until you attack them, apparently for no reason.)

 

Solution: Events, which, again, is this game's version of questing, are dynamic -- if the guy says wolves are going to attack and kill everyone, they really are going to attack and kill everyone. You can fail events because the wolves might actually win. The wolves, may in fact, stick around afterwards, spawning a new event to "clear out the wolves that ate all those nice people". The game feels much more realistic and alive when you aren't just killing idle things standing in a field apparently minding their own business.

 

*** Problem 6: "...and enter ye into this land of war and strife where you will, um, play mostly by yourself and actually the war ended right before the year that this game is set in." (Two different MMORPGs with "Star Wars" in the name, neither of them actually included a "war". They might as well have been called "Star Big Game Hunter" because you kill more wildlife than enemies.)

 

Solution: "World vs World vs World", usually just called "WvW". This is similar to the "RvR" of Dark Age of Camelot fame. There's a big war going on. You don't have to participate in it but you really should give it a shot. There are castles to be attacked and defended. Siege engines to build, operate and destroy. Items of power to be stolen and defended. It's big, it's epic, it's basically everything we thought Warhammer was going to be. And WvW was 100% operational in beta so this isn't more smoke and mirrors. It's there. It works. It's pretty awesome. You should try it. (Be sure to figure out how to buy, build and use an arrow cart or ballista too. Protip.)

 

*** Problem 7: I want to PvP (possibly with my friends...you know, THAT old problem) but I can't because I'm not the right level / don't have the right gear.

 

Solution: WvW solves this problem by letting you in as soon as you finish the tutorial, if you want, and temporarily boosting your level to 80. You won't get free skills or gear or anything, you still need to level up (which you can do in WvW itself), but what skills you DO have will hit as if you were level 80 and you'll have level 80 hit points too. It works well and I spent most of my time in WvW, enjoying it even when I rolled a new character and went back in at level 2.

 

"Structured PvP" ("sPvP", aka "battlegrounds", instanced PvP, which is totally separate from WvW) goes a step further by temporarily boosting you to level 80, giving you all skills, talents AND gear. You can focus on your build and on your teamwork and combat technique rather than fussing over who-has-the-bigger-sword. There are tournaments and you can earn items that have the same stats as the regular stuff, but with unique appearances. It's all about the fun of combat rather than the grind of leveling. Some may not like this, but I think most PvP players are pleasantly surprised at how little they miss "the grind" portion of PvP.

 

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Sorry for the long review, I guess, but I really wanted to spell out why GW2 is not like other MMORPGs, "and this time we mean it". As for my post title, let me break down my opinion of MMORPG "generations".

 

* Generation 1: MUDs and Compuserv games. They were the first, nuff said.

* Generation 2: Ultima Online. MMORPG goes wider-appeal with a nice, modern graphics interface and a flat monthly fee.

* Generation 3: Everquest / Asheron's Call. MMORPG goes 3-D. Alright so maybe going 3-D shouldn't be a generational jump but it was a big deal at the time.

* Generation 4: WOW and everything that came after it. WOW didn't really re-invent the wheel so much as they greatly refined it. WOW set the new standard and every game after them, with only a few tweaks here and there, emulated WOW.

* Generation 5: GW2. The break from WOW-like gaming is pretty substantial. There's a whole new way of questing. There's a whole new way of fighting, particularly in groups. There's a war again. "The grind" is not a barrier to tournament level PvP anymore. There's no monthly fee anymore, either.

 

Guild Wars 2 is the first real, new MMORPG we've had since WOW came out. STO, SWTOR, WAR, Rift, AOC, LOTRO, etc, were all "generation 4", being basically copies of WOW in a new setting.

 

GW2 is the next generation, and from what I've seen so far, my conclusion is "it's about time".

[Mortiis558]

I will definately be joining GW ASAP. Don't know if I will have the money when it comes out (or whenever the head start starts), but by the first of Sept. I should be on.

 

From everything I have read and seen so far a Mesmer looks like the class I want to play. Engineer and theif look cool too, but I think a LOT of people will be playing them (more so than other classes). If and when we have a server picked out let me know. See ya'll then!

[Thelogan]

Mesmer does look pretty fun. This guy makes some pretty informative videos.

 

[Mortiis558]

So my wonderful beautiful wife suprised me with a paid off Digital Deluxe version of the game just now, so I will be on during the headstart, so fuck yeah!

 

p.s. My wife is the best!

[Thelogan]

Oh, fuck yeah!

 

She get one for herself? I'm always happy to have Nancy in a party.

[Mortiis558]

Not yet, but if everything works out right she will be in on the headstart as well. She's leaning towards an Elementalist too so it looks like we shouldn't have any real overlap as far as class goes for now. As I see more and more videos it reminds me just how much fun I had in GW1. The graphics weren't all cutting edge or anything, but I really just like the aesthetic of the artists for the game and the way they drew. Reminded me of Dungeon Siege 2 which is another of those games where there graphics aren't the best, but for some reason I just love how they look.

[Thelogan]

A nice size comparison between races. Compares the maximum and minimum possible sizes.

 

 

 

 

[Thelogan]

Stress test tomorrow (Tuesday) Noon-4ish.

 

At least enough time to fuck around a bit.

[Maldron]

12-4 PST, as a PSA.

 

 

*Note: I know it's PDT right now, but fuck it.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Maldron

[Thelogan]

Yes, thank you. So 2-6 for the cool kids.

[Maldron]

Damn cool kids, with their saltwater swimming pools and their indoor plumbing.

[Thelogan]

I also have this totally rad light up Coca Cola plaque-thing in my bedroom and everyone wants to give me a high five when I walk into The Max.

[Maldron]

I was gonna murder you and wear your skin but then i was all "Steal the coca cola plaque." More on that later.

[Thelogan]

Well that was a fucking blast. Happy to see I can run it smoothly.

 

I tried every class and race. Elementalist was much more fun than I anticipated, as was Necromancer. I didn't hate any of them.

Decisions decisions.

[Maldron]

I kinda bailed on Ranger, because I made mine Sylvari and I started with an axe and I'm like "bitch, I'm made of wood! I ain't gonna mess with no axes."

 

That, and I'm not fond of pet classes usually. I think I'll end up going thief for bows, if I'm in the mood for bows. Heh. I typed "mood for boys." I'm admitting this because I like to reveal embarrassing details to folk.

 

Elementalist was definitely fun! I'm leaning towards it, but I kinda want to stick with Engineer because it was the first to steal my heart. I had most fun with Water, compared to fire and my brief time with lightning. I wished I could've gotten to Air.

[Thelogan]

I never got lightning, but I really liked the dagger set with the elementalist.

 

After experiencing a taste of them all, I'm just in love with all the playstyle options available to every class (I'm not calling them 'professions'). I spent by far the least amount of time with the Ranger, but it was cool too. I feel like even if I was forced to play one random class, I could make it into something I enjoyed playing.

 

I'll need to find out how much more character slots cost...

[Maldron]

In the beta today, it was 800 shop currency. I got, like, six shop currency by cashing in all my gold I earned on my level three character, which was like, two silver? The shop exchange rate is supposed to change to fit the market, but i mean... two silver to six shop is like, one gold 34 silver for 800 shop currency? I think I had a few gold on my level 20 beta character. I think it shouldn't be too big a hassle, but five slots is still a lot to work with.

[Thelogan]

But I have to try to reserve a bunch of names, for the future.

 

So don't take G0KU FAN4LYFFFE.

 

I didn't even look at the friend system. Like I don't know if you can add accounts or just characters, or both.

 

We're at least 5 strong right now. Well have to SHARE OUR DEETS.

 

Deets.