The NZA Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 this thread is totally not bait to get gunsmith back/braulio on so this is the year to watch, right? right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 If the Heat thread wasn't enough to get Braulio on, nothing will get him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 not with that attitude! season's starting up though, this is more topical yeah? i gotta link this to gunsmith's twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) I'm a big fan of Tannehill. He's good when he gets the right protection. I think he was the 'leader' at sacks taken last year. But I feel icky supporting a team with Suh on it. He's up there with people like Vick or Roethlisburger whose personality/history is too big an obstacle for me to enjoy the game on their side. Edited September 6, 2015 by Jumbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 You just compared Suh, a guy known for dirty play and cheap shots, to a dog fighter/killer and a rapist. Git outta this thread, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Clearly he's not at the same level of scumbag, but he's enough of a malevolent prick that he has the same effect of shutting down my support for his team. Same reason I can't ever support Payton and the Saints, even with liking Drew Brees. Bellichek and the Patriots are on the list too and that's just for regular ole fashioned cheating. I root for Nick Kyrgios to lose ever tennis game he plays and that's just for being an asshole. And I think you're underplaying what Suh does. He's not just dirty. He is literally trying to maim someone out there and pass it off as accidental. Edited September 7, 2015 by Jumbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Again, this apples and oranges. No, actually, this is apples and rape... and the NFL. With your logic, you shouldn't be watching ANY team. Get off your high horse. And don't compare apples and rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh please, it's not a high horse. I said I feel icky not that I opposed his inclusion on principle or something. You forget I was the one that supported Vick getting his job back in the NFL. I don't have a high horse. I just can't cheer for someone who's despicable to me, at whatever level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh ok, you're just inconsistent. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Whats your issue with the Saints, because if its because of the bounty scandal, then that's complete BS. As a side note, I support a team that had a murderer obstructer of justice play for them for his entire career and is possibly their most iconic player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Being the head coach of a team whos defense was encouraging their guys to "take out" quarterbacks and other important players from the game for money is the same thing as rape to Jumbie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Look man, you took your cheapshot already in this thread. You don't need to keep misrepresenting what I said. As for Ray Rice, when I actually read the trial reports etc it seemed the worst he did was try to keep a friend out of trouble for something that stemmed from a nebulous confrontation. Not a good thing, but not a big deal for me in terms of enjoying the guy's work on the field. Loyalty is one of those things I know can get a person twisted up out of honorable motivations so I'm more forgiving of it. I'm not sure how the Saints/bounty thing was bull. Care to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You're getting your Ravens crossed. It's Ray Lewis. And there's no misinterpretation going on here. You just don't know what the hell you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm not sure how the Saints/bounty thing was bull. Care to explain? Its something that pretty much happens in most teams. From my understanding of it, its an incentive rather than something to go out there and physically hurt people. There are very few pro's out there who agreed with the ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Also, Sean Payton took the fall for his defense and coaching staff. Everyone knows that. If that's not loyalty, I don't know what is. Edited September 9, 2015 by Da Cap'n 2099 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The incentive was for hurting people, so I'm not sure how you can say it wasn't a measure to go hurt people. I doubt other teams were doing this at the level that the Saints were, because there's no way to keep stuff like that secret once the scandal hit. Whistleblowers gonna blow, you know? I hear the defence coach who ran the program is out west now (KC?) but I'm not buying the Payton took the fall thing. Money was being paid and an NFL team doesn't have money moving without accountability. The team powers had to know. I suspect that if Payton had tried to fight using the 'I didn't know' card in a lawsuit or something it would have quickly come out that he did, so he just said he didn't know while he took the responsibility so he got a PR victory out of it. The more this moves into the past, the easier it is to not hold it against the team. Plus it's hard to hate a team when it's sucking and not a threat to get any accolades. And sometimes a good player can turn you around on a team. I was rooting against the Seahawks at the start of 2012 because a couple of their players got suspended for PEDs. But after a few games of watching the Legion of Boom, Lynch and Wilson in action, I really really liked them to the point that they were my favorite team by the end of the season. Plus Lynch interviews just make you like him even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So you ignore scandals as long as they're good. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 google says 5-10 so far, up against the good honest men from new england on sunday! ya'll must be hyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I didn't even watch a second of the last game. That's how disgusted I am with this team this year. The Dolphins historically play the Patriots well, but I'm not interested. Knowing them they'll win and fuck up their draft position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmithx Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 hicky is gone, so it begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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