Blood Father (Gibson, domestic abuse...sports)

[The NZA]

 

 

 

An ex-con reunites with his estranged wayward 16-year old daughter to protect her from drug dealers who are trying to kill her.

 

Gibson still catching work...gotta say, he'd totally look good as Joel in a Last of Us movie, based on this

[Donatella]

Gibson still catching work...gotta say, he'd totally look good as Joel in a Last of Us movie, based on this

 

Ugh. I just can't do it. Can't watch him in anything new and he's ruined his older movies for me too. Sucks because Braveheart and the Lethal Weapons were always favorites...bleh. Such an asshole...

[Da Cap'n 2099]

He was The Patriot, tho. The Patriot.

[Donatella]

He also said this to the mother of his child about the way she dresses, "You look like a fucking bitch in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n*****s it’ll be your fault."

 

Sooooo.....yeah.....

 

(in case anyone needs reminding what an absolute monster this man is)

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Yeah...

[Jumbie]

I think calling him an absolute monster is hyperbole.

 

He's f*cked up for sure and every time I see see Ricky Gervaise give him shit, I cheer and every time he acts like Gervaise is bullying him, I think, 'Don't act dumb Mel. Until you stop acting like all you did was fart in church, I'm not taking you seriously.'

 

But, no, monster isn't what he is. I personally know lots of people more racist and hostile to women than he is and I still talk with them and even count them as friends. (What can I say, school bonds people very strongly. And cousins and uncles can't be gotten rid of.)

[Donatella]

Hitting his wife while she's holding their child. Breaking her teeth. Admitting to it. Telling her she "fucking deserved it." Threatening to kill her. Warning her he's "capable of it." etc. etc. etc. Feelin' pretty good about calling him a monster and you having friends/family who are worse doesn't change that for me. I mean, there are infinitely worse monsters in the world- murderers, rapists, etc. None of this diminishes how awful I think he is for the things he has said and done. So...agree to disagree.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

How quickly we forget shit in just a few short years, but I'm with Donatella on this. I was trying to make the Dave Chappelle MJ "Thriller" joke earlier (with obvious parallels). Just didn't know she was so passionate about her disdain for Gipson.

 

I agree. Dude is the douchebag KING. And "knowing" someone "worse" in your family isn't really an excuse for giving this guy a pass.

 

Maybe, though, the man has "suffered" some "loses" and hopefully on a path of bettering himself. Would you accept that if he was, Judy?

[Iambaytor]

Meh. Seagal was keeping a woman in a rape dungeon and I still saw a couple movies with him in it. Mel Gibson will be a piece of shit regardless how much money he has and I don't see any moral good that will be done by not watching something he's in. I appreciate the reasoning and support it, it's just not for me.

Edited April 6, 2016 by Iambaytor

[The NZA]

...shit, wait, what was that about segal now

[Donatella]

Maybe, though, the man has "suffered" some "loses" and hopefully on a path of bettering himself. Would you accept that if he was, Judy?

 

Hmm. That's a tough one. It has been a few years since he's done anything spectacularly awful, but he just has so much to come back from.

 

Mel Gibson will be a piece of shit regardless how much money he has and I don't see any moral good that will be done by not watching something he's in. I appreciate the reasoning and support it, it's just not for me.

 

"Moral good" was never my reasoning here. He ruined his movies for me because now I just look at his face and think about the things he's said/done and it makes me angry. So I don't enjoy them as much as I could.

[Iambaytor]

It looks like his people scrubbed most of it from the internet but here's the Seagal story.

 

Steven Seagal is accused of hiring young women as personal attendants whose real job was to serve his strange and sometimes violent sexual desires, according to a civil lawsuit filed Monday in Los Angeles by a 23-year-old former model who describes her experience in harrowing detail.

 

The plaintiff, Kayden Nguyen, said she met the action star in February through an ad on Craigslist seeking an executive assistant and, after three interviews, was told to pack for a trip to New Orleans, where the A&E show "Steven Seagal Lawman" was taping.

 

When she arrived, the lawsuit says, she discovered that Seagal had been keeping two young female Russian "attendants" who were essentially on-call for sex -- 24-seven.

 

On that first night, Nguyen was ushered to a secluded house where Seagal was staying with his wife and the two young women. He then proceeded to treat Nguyen as his "sex toy" despite her complaints, the lawsuit says, responding to her terror as he fondled and manhandled her by saying, "Relax, we won't do anything special tonight ... I'll save that for another night.'"

 

She complained the following morning to some of the other employees, assuming that they would deliver the message to Seagal. Hours later, the lawsuit says he assaulted her again, this time forcing her to consume "illegal pills" and inflicting sexual acts on her until she sobbed.

 

The following morning, when she confronted Seagal herself, he told her there had been a "misunderstanding"; but hours later, he assaulted her a third time, an attack that stopped only when she ran away.

 

The ordeal carried on for several days, and it wasn't until Feb. 28 -- the following Sunday -- that she was able to escape the situation.

 

The lawsuit says Nguyen told Seagal that she had to leave to meet with family members who would be suspicious if she didn't show up. Nonetheless, he told her not to leave the house and followed her with a gun equipped with a flashlight as she went out to a waiting cab, which sped away as she jumped in the front seat.

 

A message left by TheWrap with the action star's attorney, Stuart Rosenthal, was not immediately returned Monday. Messages left with A&E were also not immediately returned.

 

It was not clear why Kayden Nguyen chose to file a civil lawsuit instead of a criminal complaint. Messages left with her lawyers were not immediately returned Monday.

 

Nguyen's lawsuit claims that even after she got away, Seagal and his employees tried desperately to persuade her to return. When she escaped, she left behind "everything of value she owned," including car keys, her laptop, clothes, and "hundreds of dollars worth of makeup." She was told she would not get the items back until she signed an agreement stating she would not report the sexual attacks.

 

The lawsuit says Nguyen had accepted the job on Feb. 22, a Monday, and was sped in a limo to a waiting private jet. Her first indication that something was awry was when Seagal told her, as the plane was taking off, that his wife "wouldn't mind if we had a sexual relationship."

 

Nguyen's lawsuit said she could identify a "unique physiological reaction" that Seagal has to sexual arousal, which could be corroborated by the other "attendants." The suit did not specify what that reaction is.

 

The lawsuit alleges sexual harassment in violation of federal labor laws; illegal sex trafficking; retaliation; wrongful termination; and false representations about employment. Each of the six counts seeks in excess of $1 million in damages.

 

"Moral good" was never my reasoning here. He ruined his movies for me because now I just look at his face and think about the things he's said/done and it makes me angry. So I don't enjoy them as much as I could.

 

That's fair. I'm good at making a disconnect, which is good because I like a lot of things made with/by despicable people. I think the only thing that was really shockingly altered for me was when I found out that Victor Salva was a convicted pedophile, and the Jeepers Creepers movies became about 90% creepier.

[Keth]

Yeah the Victor Salva thing is bad. I like those movies on a basic level, and now knowing all that stuff... man it puts them in a whole new light and I don't know how to feel about that. I can't deny that I enjoy the movies, and I'd definitely watch a third one though.

 

Would I give it money? No, but I'll watch it for sure. Jonathan Breck does a damn good job at playing the monster.

 

Tangent- probably should go in that "Separating art from artist" thread.

[Iambaytor]

Meh, it's another mid-list action thiller with Mel Gibson, I doubt we're gonna get much more traffic here.

[Jumbie]

 

 

I agree. Dude is the douchebag KING. And "knowing" someone "worse" in your family isn't really an excuse for giving this guy a pass.

 

 

I ain't give nobody a pass! Especially not in this thread where I specifically said Gibson was out of line for acting like Ricky Gervaise shouldn't be giving him crap.

 

I'm fine with calling Gibson douchebag king or a piece of shit and I definitely don't enjoy his movies anymore because of what I know about him. (Only watched the Mad Max movies before the new one came out so I could prepare)

 

But I tend to think 'monster' is reserved for people who at the least commit a heinous murder, or callously assaults a child or something on that level.

 

From a purely linguistic point of view, if Gibson is an 'absolute monster', then what's Stalin or the guys who shot Malala or Fidel Castro? We're losing the sense of proportion on that.

 

My reference to knowing people worse than Gibson is simply to point out that he's not exceptional in his stupidity and ignorance, therefore there's no 'absolute' involved. I think that there is a danger in labeling Gibson as an outlier. He's representative of a good chunk of humanity. Using terminology that acknowledges that is more useful for me. He's an asshole/king douche/thug etc are good words for him.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Jumbie

[Da Cap'n 2099]

I think Donatella reserves the right to make her own call.

[the division of joy]

How dare we let people have their own opinion!

 

Other than The Beaver that gibson did a while ago, he's done absolutely nothing of note in the last few years other than commit career suicide.

[Donatella]

If I'd have known people would pick apart my wording like this I might've reconsidered this whole forum business. Geez.

 

Edited April 7, 2016 by Donatella

[Jumbie]

I think Donatella reserves the right to make her own call.

 

I have not disputed her right to her opinion.

 

Also, Donatella, I'm a crabby, nitpicky sob at times, but really, I didn't start out looking to get into this level of detail over your terminology. Panch made me have to defend my opinion with his baseless attacks.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Dude, you're known for talking out of your ass. Giving frat-boy rapist Ben Roethlisberger A PASS while condemning Sean Payton for bountygate. This is just par for the course from you.

[alive she cried]

Panch and Jumbie fighting to fill the hole left by Arch and Jax?

[Iambaytor]

Neither one of them is enough of an asshole to truly fill that niche.

[Jumbie]

I don't enjoy the fighting, which those two did. Plus Panch never wants to have the good kind of make-up sex.

 

Dude, you're known for talking out of your ass. Giving frat-boy rapist Ben Roethlisberger A PASS while condemning Sean Payton for bountygate. This is just par for the course from you.

 

I gave who a what now? I dare you to find that quote. Hondo's makes it easy to quote a post. Go on.

 

I never said that. Or anything close to that.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Jumbie

[Da Cap'n 2099]

No, you're right. You didn't give Roethlisberger a pass, - I apologize - but you DID what you're condemning Donatella for doing: lumping, what you think is marginally ambiguous behavior with more serious, "monsterous" offenses.

 

You put Ndamukong Suh, Sean Payton, Michael Vick, and Ben Roethlisberger all in the same category. A dirty player, a coach that may or may not have known about cheap shots being paid for and a dog killer and a rapist.

 

You, clearly, don't know the definition of "monster." How can you judge someone else's opinion of it?

[Iambaytor]

I thought the only monsters were Charlize Theron and Kanye West.