The NZA Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Wait, what? We're judging creators by what their fans say now? What on that page is evidence of h3h3 being "shitty"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 it's about h3h3, not their fans - Google that name & alt right, it's a known thing watch what ya like, but even the mess that YT is, I'm sure I can find funny vids without supporting homophobic/misogynistic clowns that support white supremacist jontron...the unironic use of "SJW" is usually the first sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I guess I haven't gotten to those videos yet... That or I'm a blind asshole. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 aw MH, was trying to make people aware, not feel bad - like, there's numerous gaming YT channels I've watched that turned out to have horrible hosts (based on their other social media/etc), I just figured others might wanna know like I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) No man, Thank you. I do want to know. I'm just a bit slow on realizing these things sometimes, and I feel like a dick. Edit: After re-reading the Reddit thread and discussing it with Cj, I fail to see how Ethan and HIla are bigots and hateful... Are we missing something here? Edit 2: Going deeper down the reddit hole reading stuff, and I don't know what the hell to believe. We haven't listened to the podcasts (save for a clip with Justin Roiland a while back before we knew who H3H3 were), and I did watch a clip in a thread where he does sound misogynistic. I'll have to listen to whole podcast on that one. As far as supporting white supremacy, Hila is from Israel, and they are both Jewish, so that one confuses me. I don't know. a;sjfkl;djs;oaiugoehat Edited December 8, 2017 by MetalHeart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 yeah,. looking again at that link I get where its thin (reddit is generally shit in my experience) so here's the offhand stuff: - CRAZY TRIGGERED FEMINIST LOL videos (more than 1 I recall), cashing in on YT's bottom dwellers and I imagine mental illness? not giving them a click but that's the summary I'd seen - buddy-buddy with & recently giving a platform to jontron, known white supremacist/neo nazi depending on what distinction you put there also continually went to bat for him on twitter after he was outed for his bigotry - same with Joey salads who's also a whole other dipshit again plenty of people enjoy the channel without knowing or caring about any of this, I just make a point not to fuck with people who think social justice is a punchline or nazi sympathizers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, The NZA said: again plenty of people enjoy the channel without knowing or caring about any of this, I just make a point not to fuck with people who think social justice is a punchline or nazi sympathizers I can dig that 100%, and fully agree with you. I'm not gonna lie; I probably won't research every new Youtuber/channel I come across, but I will make a conscious effort to educate myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I googled 'h3h3 and alt right', and other than the reddit link you posted above I found this article from polygon. It calls out h3h3 for the false accusation they made against the WSJ that was picked up by the right leaning media. The article goes on to show that after it was pointed out they were wrong, h3h3 took down the video and admitted their error. Bad investigative journalists maybe, but still not seeing how they are alt right. I assume the "misogyny" you're referring to is calling out feminists if they say something stupid. That is not misogyny, it's not even anti-feminism, it's anti-bullshit. Every "side" has stupid people in it, and when they say something stupid, they should be called on it. It's inevitable that genuine misogynists will then ejaculate all over the comments section, but how do you avoid that? Never criticise women ever? As for the video title, it's youtube, clickbait is how you make money. But I can certainly see why you'd find it irksome, definitely not enough to unsubscribe though. I've never seen anything that even comes close to homophobia on their channel. Full disclosure though, I've only seen a few dozen of their videos, so maybe I just haven't seen it. I'd be very surprised if it exists. As for Jontron, I've absolutely no defence of him. I heard the debate, and it was nothing short of vile. But who among us doesn't haven't a friend or family member that has said or done awful shit, and you stick by them anyway? Jesus, we have a great thread about that very topic. Finally, if using SJW unironically makes one alt right (which essentially means White Nationalist/Fascist now, right?), then colour me shocked to find out I'm a Nazi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 hours ago, alive she cried said: I assume the "misogyny" you're referring to is calling out feminists if they say something stupid. That is not misogyny, it's not even anti-feminism, it's anti-bullshit. Every "side" has stupid people in it, and when they say something stupid, they should be called on it. It's inevitable that genuine misogynists will then ejaculate all over the comments section, but how do you avoid that? Never criticise women ever? As for the video title, it's youtube, clickbait is how you make money. But I can certainly see why you'd find it irksome, definitely not enough to unsubscribe though. calling out "feminism" (since we're using quotation marks here) isn't just low-hanging fruit for the MRA/etc type crowd, it's a pretty clear move that one doesn't know what the term means and instead wants to jump on crazy/unwell people and paint a picture. how you draw "never criticize women" from simply saying that's a shitty practice, i'm not sure. also: up until recently, you could make far more on YT by all but abusing kids, don't know that's a line you wanna tow though. Quote I've never seen anything that even comes close to homophobia on their channel. Full disclosure though, I've only seen a few dozen of their videos, so maybe I just haven't seen it. I'd be very surprised if it exists. i freely admit i don't fuck with dude much, i recall hearing the word faggot tossed about on podcasts/etc. again, i tend to not give a lot of benefit of the doubt in situations like this, lying with dogs & getting fleas and all. Quote As for Jontron, I've absolutely no defence of him. I heard the debate, and it was nothing short of vile. But who among us doesn't haven't a friend or family member that has said or done awful shit, and you stick by them anyway? Jesus, we have a great thread about that very topic. man, this is pretty thin here. you acknowledge how vile it is, and you give associating with/supporting that a pass? sure, you can't do anything about family, granted - and god knows ive stayed friends with some shady people in the past...but you don't plant your flag in their defense after that & continue giving them a platform. i mean, the man at least came out later saying something about the heinous shit his other boy joey salads was doing, and he still stands by this white supremacist? YT has been hell for a lot of creators this year after likewise shitheel bigot pewdeepie got outed for numerous nazi & anti-semetic instances, to the point that disney dropped their deal outright. shit was getting so toxic, advertisers got wind of that - and more recently, the rampant child abuse videos/etc - and google's failed at one policy after another, to where currently LGBTQ content can scarcely be monetized at all. the last plan i read said they intend to hire 10,000 people to try to monitor video content for offensive material that'd turn off said ad revenue. all that, and here's these dudes on about the importance of "new media" yet they can't even do the first thing to distance themselves from the cesspool...so yeah, there's degrees, but if you're pandering to misogynistic MRA's, anti-PC/"SJW" types or full-on alt-right/nazi types, into the bushes you go. there's way too many creators out there to indulge that fuckery. Quote Finally, if using SJW unironically makes one alt right (which essentially means White Nationalist/Fascist now, right?), then colour me shocked to find out I'm a Nazi. yeah, that's what alt-right has been, and no, that's not what i said - using social justice as a derogatory term obviously doesn't make one a nazi, but it does make one an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 That's sooo an sjw thing to say. Writing off a huge group of people as wrong/assholes because they don't 100% agree with you is the kind of shit people are railing against. It's possible to be progressive and not agree with every, single, issue Huffington Post write an article about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 assuming everyone that rides for social justice thinks the same & follows huffpo is pretty ironic here too right, so that huge group of people (youtubers, commentors etc), let's talk about even larger groups of people existing in a climate of police brutality, attacks on women (reproductive rights, wages, funding for efforts like planned parenthood etc), a rollback of protections/rights for gays/trans/etc, and booming #'s of minorities in for-profit prisons...all this while our fascist administration openly shows support for white supremacists. as you said, there's bound to be extreme notions in any movement, but if your take on all of that is to mock the tumblr caricature of facets of social justice, you're a) pandering to the lowest possible denominator of YT cheap seats b) clearly showing you've no interest in engaging such discussions in good faith i don't expect anyone to agree with me or much of anything 100%, but YT is a literal cesspool of garbage hot takes. you really think engaging in some MRA takedown of (insert something that happened today, with an angry white dude making a face for the video link) is gonna yield some particularly insightful perspective? with the glut of information out there, we all filter things out - flat-earthers, holocaust deniers, etc. personally, i just don't need to see it reach that level of absurdity to know the road it's going down - for instance, many folks saw gamergate and took it for a quick downward slope into alt-right territory. TL;DR - a venn diagram of people/creators using sjw, pc, alpha, cuck etc and misogyny, bigotry and other awful shit is gonna have a lot of overlap. i can't imagine having time for any of that. ...apologies if y'all think i'm shitting up the thread & should take it to another one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Perhaps thread this off into a different, inevitably longer thread called Bad Youtubers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) See I agree with the majority of your post, none of which (except maybe calling Trump a Fascist (Terrible person and politician? Absolutely, but he's far from a dictator)) would I refer to as "SJW". Actual pressing issues like women's reproductive rights or gay marriage are not what people are referring to when they say SJW, it's stuff like this Or this . These are not fringe tumblr morons, they're people in genuine positions of power and influence that are purporting this nonsense. Edited December 15, 2017 by alive she cried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 if you're arguing jordan peterson is someone with genuine power & influence that's doing harm, we're in full agreement <3 for real though, he's a known transphobe amongst other shit, i don't think that needs to be given a seat at the collegiate table, personally. as for that video - there's a ton of things to talk about there, as far as the very brief history she provided & the agency of actual black folks and their bodies being denied to them, often physically but sometimes digitally too. i mean, it's a pretty reasonable video? she even says it's okay to do so at the end, but think about why you're drawn to it. and of course, a black woman sharing a perspective in a calm & reasonable manner has *checks page* 88k downvotes. i think a better question to ask is: why is a black woman asking for a moment of thought in digital representation of people of color such a go-to for people looking to be outraged? moreover: your partitioning off of SJW as "not applying to valid stuff like (x)" is pretty rough as well, because in this example, you're telling a black woman what does and doesn't count as actual social justice. it's a judgment call that anyone's welcome to make, but if you're gonna use language like SJW/etc and basically take sides in whatever culture war is going down, you're opting to side with some pretty heinous folks over the marginalized who social & racial justice (formerly known as civil rights, now demonized as "identity politics") actually rides for. i get that you might rather take a comfortable centerist view here and not be roped in by "either side", but with social issues like black liberation, trans/xeno/homophobia etc i don't think one can straddle a fence: you're either actively against those things or not, and if people of said community point out something problematic - however uncomfortable or seemingly minor - i tend to think it's a lot better to give that some thought than indulge the next rant by angrywhitedude420 on YT, however much the "skeptic" community might disagree. as for trump: he outright demonizes the free press, openly praises world leaders who silence & execute dissidents (putin, duterte, edrogan, etc), co-signs white supremacists & bigoted organizations while pushing rampant xenophobia & hyper-nationalism. our checks and balances (sometimes) holding back his fascist impulses do not make him any less a fascist, though. while those specifics of fascism overlap a bit with dictators, one can full-on be a fascist (as many powerless alt-right/white pride groups are) without actually being enabled to run a totalitarian regime like i think you're looking for here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 given logan paul's shtick with the dead now, this has to get more mileage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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