Iambaytor Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Reading Bru's Books of Doom right now, still having trouble getting my head around reading comics off a screen. Once I can though, I have New Avengers cued up, and Baytor here's reminded me I really need to read the complete run of Hitman. You most certainly do. If you haven't read Tommy's Heroes or Coffin Full of Dollars then you sir have not yet lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Great. Turns out lines of pure coke off a Philipino he-she's artificially-pumped arse isn't the life these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well I've read up to #38 of Punisher Max and I never want to hear about Thomas Jane's Punisher again. Everybody bitches cause Frank blackmails people and uses other tactics other than busting skulls and blowing up shit, but you know what? In what I have read, Frank has blackmailed criminals as a means to an end not once but 3 fucking times and between that and him balling that spy chick everybody can shut the fuck up about Jane's version being "out of character." Also Barracuda is great and all but he'll never fill the large DD cup hole that once held The Russian. In other news I downloaded an old favorite of mine that I never got the chance to finish. Mutant X (not to be confused with that godawful TV show) it and Age of Apocalypse are really the only X-Men books I've ever really enjoyed that much aside from a story arc here and there. Anyhow it takes place in an alternate universe where things are just slightly different than they are in the 616, for example it was Scott Summers that died and his brother Alex (Havok) that lived and Havok became one of the X-Men. Madeline Pryor is Marvel Woman/Goblin Queen still, Storm is a vampire, Angel is some sort of fire breathing demon with bat wings, Beast has experimented on himself to the point of becoming some sort of fish/monkey/goat with the brain of a 2-year-old, Elektra is Alex and Madeline's son Scott's nanny, Captain America is a mutant, Nick Fury is some sort of Nazi human supremecist who wants to kill all super humans, and Mole Man is banging Calypso. Havok in this world dies and the Havok from the 616 ends up taking his place, it's well written especially for 90s Marvel and well drawn which was also a milestone for that decade. If this shit was out in trade I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 for Mutant X- i gotta find a torrent for that book, I collected every issue right up until it went all 'Empire', and then picked up toward the end with the weird Gambit. Regarding Punisher- I don't recall blackmail and blahdeblah, I just remember a crybaby alcoholic and whorish Joan the Mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah I had forgotten how much I fuckin' loved this book. It was probably the best X-Men series there was, it truly is a shame it's not out in trades. It is a sign of the times when drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels by oneself in an hour without dying is considered sissified. Besides, MAX Punisher is a mopy fuck too. As for Joan, yeah they fucked that up big time, but what are you gonna do? Studio demanded Rebecca Romijin and you can't make that seem anything less than whorish. Ben Foster's Spacker Dave was still spot-on, and well... there was no way they could have done Bumpo justice in live-action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ben Foster was Spacker Dave? Shit, knew he looked familiar. That lends the slightest of credibilities. Bumpo couldn't have been done right, Russian was cringeworthy bad(they coulda taken a harder, silent badarse than taken Bob Paulson from Fight Club & badly bleached his hair, dressing him as a sailor in the process). No, alcoholism is great in it's home, but the image of Frank Castle painted by Dillon/Ennis is a model of disciplined, precise, Vietnam vet. Castle'd no more sit & cry about his family than he would take a shot, let alone drink a bottle for one important reason: It's all distracting from his mission. Hell, even you've said Knights Punisher is more likeable and I wager it's for that very reason! Ecch. I still gotta find a torrent for Stevenson's Punisher, since we still don't have a release date for cinemas down here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ben Foster was Spacker Dave? Shit, knew he looked familiar. That lends the slightest of credibilities. Bumpo couldn't have been done right, Russian was cringeworthy bad(they coulda taken a harder, silent badarse than taken Bob Paulson from Fight Club & badly bleached his hair, dressing him as a sailor in the process). No, alcoholism is great in it's home, but the image of Frank Castle painted by Dillon/Ennis is a model of disciplined, precise, Vietnam vet. Castle'd no more sit & cry about his family than he would take a shot, let alone drink a bottle for one important reason: It's all distracting from his mission. Hell, even you've said Knights Punisher is more likeable and I wager it's for that very reason! Ecch. I still gotta find a torrent for Stevenson's Punisher, since we still don't have a release date for cinemas down here. I don't know, I thought the Russian worked even if he didn't yammer on forever. Alas they never could have done justice to his re-emergence. And Marvel Knights Punisher is the only one that's ever held that quality, even Ennis couldn't keep that shit up and soon had Frank throwing a bitch fit because the city wouldn't reburry his family resulting in him almost taking a sniper round to the brain pan if not for someone else intervening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well I've read up to #38 of Punisher Max and I never want to hear about Thomas Jane's Punisher again. Everybody bitches cause Frank blackmails people and uses other tactics other than busting skulls and blowing up shit, but you know what? In what I have read, Frank has blackmailed criminals as a means to an end not once but 3 fucking times and between that and him balling that spy chick everybody can shut the fuck up about Jane's version being "out of character." 1) glad someone else is enjoying the book now 2) you are clinically insane. MAX punisher is exactly what got me hyped about the film and let me down so bad by it being, well, what it was. frank blackmailing to get into places and kill more twisted fucks is not analogous to jane's capers with travolta and bowie knives, sir. even the spy chick thing took forever and showed how fucked up you have to be to bang frank. seriously now: how far into your beloved MK punisher did you read? because after nixon island and the 2nd round with the russian, it became more parody than solid book. the nuff said issue was class, this one cop arc called the brotherhood was good, and for like a year it was complete shit, even ended on a shitty, shitty note (confederacy of dunces) that made me want the book to die off. MAX tries different shit, youve seen that now. the first arc felt off while i think ennis was getting his head around frank's sociopathy, but slavers, black is white, the 2 arcs with the russian guys, right up to valley forge, valley forge were far more entertaining than a great deal of MK punisher. or did you not read the one about the squid?! i just....ah, after you put hitman > preacher i suppose all bets were off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes Max tries different shit, one minute Frank is an unfeeling dickhead who only acknowledges people before he blows their heads off, the next he's good old Marvel Knights Punisher for like 2 arcs, then suddenly he's throwing a fit cause his family's remains are dug up and he can't concentrate and does the stupidest shit ever, then he's boning fucked up femm'e fatal bitch. This book is all over the place on the characterization he doesn't even seem like the same guy from arc to arc except for the whole viglante thing. And Frank didn't blackmail to get into places, he blackmailed over the Russian thing, he blackmailed over the slaving thing, and he blackmailed some low class thug so he could meet his boss when he could just have easily tailed the fucker. In the movie he blackmailed the key enforcer and biggest badass in Howard Saint's crew so Howard would kill him and his own wife while he was at it to make him more emotionally distressed and thus an easier target. That's more akin to the bit in Welcome Back Frank where he killed off the assassins before they even got a shot at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 notlisteningnotlisteningyoureinsanenotlistening i like that frank going apeshit over his family's remains being dug up (because that's not a new low) is out of character for our favorite sociopathic serial killer. /agree to disagree, i guess. i thought the frank of the first arc who snapped over that cheating guy's bullshit was out of character; after that, he felt pretty consistent for me. regardless, finish ennis' run on the book and lemme know if you still dig MK more, though one day, you're gonna have to tell me where you left that book off at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It wasn't that he went apeshit, it was that he was too distraught about that they weren't reburied to go cap the guy who he saw video of pissing on their bodies until the police do what he told them, so he starts taking out gambling rings and drug dealers instead of manning up and doing what he should have done in the first place. That's just it, the first trade was out of character and everything following book 3 was off until Barracuda. I think Mother Russia and Kitchen Irish were the only truly in-character arcs we've had so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 i think you made it to the fucked up arc "Black is White" or whatever with the grave digging, you read Slavers? I recall thinking he was pretty in-character there, i wanna say. the sequel arc to Mother Russia was solid too. again, the final one, "Valley Forge, Valley Forge" i think it was, was a great culmination arc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Slavers was close, but Frank was a bit too rash in his decisions and I didn't like how he really fucked up with the old guy mid-way through. I mean yeah, he's fucked up tons of times before. I've found that Ennis switches between 3 stocks personalities from films: Travis Bickle, Benjamin Willard, and John Rambo he mixes and matches here and there but usually one is more dominant than another. The first arc was Ben Willard all the way, stone cold, tortured, more animal than man. Kitchen Irish and Mother Russia were John Rambo, in control, a bit crazy but reined in enough that it serves more as a plus than a minus, and so determined in his goal that literally nothing will stop him. Black is White was Travis Bickle, crazy, erratic, meticulous on the planning but mainly just wanting to make as big a crater as possible before he bites it. Then by Barracuda we're back to John Rambo. Ironically enough these three archetypes also pretty much describe the 3 vastly different performances of the actors. Lundgren was Rambo, Jane was Bickle (Jane has said even said he based a good chunk of his performance on a Travis Bickle type character), and Stevenson was Ben Willard (well... Stevenson was fucking Steven Seagal as Ben Willard but lets not go into that). Most people like the Ben Willard personality but personally, if I wanted to read Moon Knight I would read Moon Knight. Bickle is the controversial one and I think it works but it does tend to shy away from the character. Rambo is the universally accepted one it seems and it works, that was the one that worked so well for the better part of Marvel Knights Punisher and some of the better arcs of MAX (I still maintain Kitchen Irish was good!) For the record I am not knocking the Travis Bickle personality, I quite like it. I just want people to keep bitching about it in one instance and praising it in another. The Ben Willard personality can fuck right the hell off, it's really a dumbed down version without all the depth playing out like Jason Goes to Vietnam than Apocalypse Now. And yes, I have vastly over-analyzed this character. Fuck off, I have a critical mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 that was pretty interesting though. i see the rambo more often than not, but he will fuck up on silly shit once in a while. i never felt he was overly erratic, mostly cause ennis loves gun-porn enough to make him sound like a pro even when he's clearly outgunned, but good take nonetheless. kitchen irish wasnt awful, i just wasnt compelled to give much of a shit about the non-frank characters, for whatever reason. i did so in slavers, i certaily did so in mother russia, etc. the later story, about the black widows of franks victims was...well, you'll have comments when you get to it, no doubt. just remind yourself to read The Cell and The End, if you havent. some of Ennis' finest punisher work, my opinion. i read the jigsaw/mexican arc after Ennis, i think the book's done now. after war zone, im prolly dropping the character for a bit, cause pun in the marvel u has to really do some shit to interest me, and taking on the sentry isnt quite that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 ...anyone yet read Secret Warriors # 1? Fury's team is...well, they could mebbe grow on me eventually, but the last page reveal was pretty big, regarding S.H.I.E.L.D. and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I plan on snagging Secret Warriors at some point. I guess I'm just gonna post about new shit I'm reading (well, new to me) here. Cuz...well I'm an egomaniac I guess. Just finished Cerebus Vol.13: Going Home by Dave Sim. I know I'm way behind, I read a new Cerebus tpb every year or two at this point. I guess I'm just delaying the inevitable. I gotta say I don't quite get Sim's infatuation with F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the dude seems fucking OBSESSED. There's a great Alan Moore character about a quarter way through that's fuckin' spot on, had me rollin'. I have a feeling that this book is the calm before the storm and I'm going to have my soul crushed in the next one like I did with Jaka's Story. That book fucked me up (but that's a tale for another day). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 with my day off I mostly caught up on Wolverine: Origins & saw the Wrestler. The Cap & Bucky arc bored the shit outta me, the Deadpool ones arright, i'm really hoping the kid thing gets explored some. Once that's done I have the Xfactor Layla Miller special & the current 48 issues of New Avengers to catch up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Read volumes 1 and 2 of Scott Pilgrim, I must buy these now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 i never get why Wolverine Origins isnt more popular; its at least more interesting than most of his past book. The layla miller special's good, as is new avengers. baytor - that one gets named dropped a lot, post a review if you can, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 What other books do Original Sin go into? I wanna finish the arc. PS-- Layla Millar special was... odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 its weird; every other event, marvel does a checklist. Original Sin, though - its across X-Men Legacy and Wolverine Origins, as i recall, not sure which issue #s, see what i can dig up again. its not mind-blowing, but it was more well done than id initially thought/feared a "wolvy's son" arc would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If someone can lemme know that checklist I'll be stoked. Also, does someone have a torrent for Mutant X? Baytor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If someone can lemme know that checklist I'll be stoked. Also, does someone have a torrent for Mutant X? Baytor? Bam! Anyway I read Crossed and was surprised how good it actually was. Inversely I read Warren Ellis' Black Gas and was pretty disappointed. I have now read all of The Punisher Max, Marvel Knights Punisher, and Punisher War Zone. I still gotta say on the whole (minus those 4 shitty issues that weren't written by Ennis) it held its own pretty well, the main thing that held it back was the censorship (near the end when they made the blood brown I was getting fed up with that, that and the flagrant use of 'friggin', 'maggot', and 'nosepick') it had a weak final arc but so did Max, but maybe I would have enjoyed Valley Forge, Valley Forge better if I didn't like it better the first time in Hitman when it was called Who Dares Wins. I enjoyed The Tyger and whatever the Vietnam story was called, The Cell seemed a bit over-the-top but it seemed like a good (if unintentional) lead up into The End which is the best The End book I've ever read form Marvel (but then again I don't think that's saying much) Now I'm off to get caught up with The Walking Dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thor # 600 was awesome, i love JMS + Copiel on this book. Im debating the trades. Amazing Spider-Man is finally recapturing the feeling of the old books for me. i swear, push past its "Brand New Shit" roots and its a good read. Im waiting on Gaiman's Batman impressions. i know they're comin from some of youse. I for one liked it, in that enjoyable for not knowing entirely whats transpiring kinda way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Bam! Anyway I read Crossed and was surprised how good it actually was. Inversely I read Warren Ellis' Black Gas and was pretty disappointed. I have now read all of The Punisher Max, Marvel Knights Punisher, and Punisher War Zone. I still gotta say on the whole (minus those 4 shitty issues that weren't written by Ennis) it held its own pretty well, the main thing that held it back was the censorship (near the end when they made the blood brown I was getting fed up with that, that and the flagrant use of 'friggin', 'maggot', and 'nosepick') it had a weak final arc but so did Max, but maybe I would have enjoyed Valley Forge, Valley Forge better if I didn't like it better the first time in Hitman when it was called Who Dares Wins. I enjoyed The Tyger and whatever the Vietnam story was called, The Cell seemed a bit over-the-top but it seemed like a good (if unintentional) lead up into The End which is the best The End book I've ever read form Marvel (but then again I don't think that's saying much) Now I'm off to get caught up with The Walking Dead. Much love for that man. Can't wait to get home & get that started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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