Hondo's Comics Journal

[Thrizzle]

I don't have access to the .gif file from my phone, you monster.

[the division of joy]

[Jables]

NOPE! Aint getting off that easy.

 

An opinion is something like "I do not care for that sort of thing". Saying a genre consists of bad writing and lazy creators, and then defining it with "recycled dialogue" is taking it beyond opinion and into the realm of refutable facts.

If someone doesn't like, say, The Godfather. That's fine. They can say things like "I did not like that film, I do not even like that type of film. I hated every second I saw it. It's not for me. I would rather have my spleen salted and removed through my anus than have to sit through it again".

No problem.

But if they say "thats was a terribly directed and poorly written movie that only cunts would like, as are all movies involving organized crime"

Well, now you're an ignorant asshole.

also, have you SEEN The Office? If dialogue like Gervais' is normal to you, your life is more interesting than mine.

 

And no one ever gets any of your sub-text. Mine was "I'm giving you so much shit because I think you're better than that".

Let's wander back to yesterweek and review what I actually said

 

It's a fucking soap opera in panels. And I've acknowledged the overlap between the two mediums for years, but Walking Dead really fucking rubs your nose in it, which is the same reason I don't do a lot of Indie books. Stories about humans being human aren't insightful or entertaining. They're just a sadder form of self-referencing that more people get because everyone's cunts.

 

There might be some poor grammar that I'ma chalk up to watchings more Metalocalypse thans is healthy but the statement really was narrower than you seem to be reacting to. If you don't like that I don't like people then it's an odd thing but sure. Guilty. But what i said was, see bolded. I didn't say indie books are strictly for cunts, I said that I don't like a lot of Indie books for this reason, and as stated since this comes from about a dozen books I've made it to various points through.

 

Now I get that initially you took more exception to my definition of Indie books(and again, I refer to another earlier remark about you with all your fucking knowledge just bristling at the chance to set some ignorant loudmouth straight about your beloved medium) and I've since retracted and agreed that not being as versed as you I'm happy to not make such sweeping generalisations anywhere you can read them. But you know what? how bout instead of being a self-righteous cunt about the thing you offer up a correction? Because I gotta say, my default here would be to go read up, come back and make a revised statement but all I figure is you're gonna slap whatever meager offering I bring back out of hand, say NOT GOOD ENOUGH and beat me like I'm one of your former dealers.

 

Now regarding my views on that very narrow slice of self-published books that are occasionally black and white, might not have the best art and to the casual observer have no real story to frame a series of interpersonal exchanges with literally nothing else going on, here's a better example: Arthouse films. Occasionally they will produce gems like Acid House or Trainspotting(I can't think of a non-Danny Boyle example), but for the most part you say 'Arthouse' and people think gay cowboys eating pudding. It's the same with Indie. Don't be such a twat about the names of things, man. Graphic novels are a wanker's name and I shudder when I hear them referred to thusly, but you know what? I'm just glad someone's reading 'em.

 

If I haven't been clear feel free to talk more about how retarded I am, or how any unrelated thing contributes to this terrible moment. Me, I'll be waiting for Baytor to come in with his 'Tell'im Steve-Dave!' schtick.

 

Also, if you've evidently never worked in an office environment YOU'RE A CUNT AND YOUR MUM'S A FUCKING CUNT AND YOU CLEARLY SUFFER FROM FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME j/k, that's your line. But yeah, Michael Scotts exist all over the world in every shitty little business like that one. I've seen and been many.

 

PPS- Godfather's shit. If you're gonna generalise about gangster movies use something good like Casino or Goodfellas.

[The NZA]

so now we've reached that point where we pretend godfather 1 (and especially 2) weren't good movies

 

[Jables]

Aw c'mon now. Are you women just looking for reasons to be offended? Have I not been paying you enough attention lately? Needy bitches...

[Thrizzle]

1. I'm DEEPLY fucking offended that the American version of The Office is what instantly comes to mind. It's a passable sitcom, or it was for a few years, but the original 12 ep+specials were brilliant.

 

2. I eventually pointed out the term "Indie" because you love to throw it around in regards to myself, and it doesn't make any sense. GENERALLY it tends to be in reference to anything that you haven't heard of. The only indie book I enjoy that fits the type of thing you're talking about would be Optic Nerve. And no, I'm definitely not recommending it to you, nor have I mentioned it here.

All I'm saying is that the books that fit the criteria you describe seem to be mostly imaginary is all, and you certainly aren't hearing about them from me. So don't make me their spokesman. I took issue because I PRESUMED you were using the term in the same way that you always have, i.e. - not actually talking about indie books at all.

 

3. Don't get all irritated when people can't comprehend what you're talking about because you're using the wrong words, and don't get mad at me for pointing it out.

I only brought up the Graphic Novel thing because DoJ is new to comics and I'd hate for him to immediately be perceived as a bit of a wanker if he's ever talking shop with strangers. I was being a bro.

 

4. Re: Ghostworld. It's fair to dislike that story, but that came out in Eightball. The page after this. It absolutely should not be representative of the book.

 

5.

j/k, that's your line

I never called you stupid or fuckface or anything (that I recall...I haven't reread those posts). You did call me a cunt, among other things, but that's neither here nor there. What I did call you, repeatedly, was ignorant of the subject at hand. Which I think you copped to, in a roundabout way.

 

6. I'm right and you're wrong.

 

7. You realize axels is bookmarking all of this for dramatic readings, right?

[Iambaytor]

Me, I'll be waiting for Baytor to come in with his 'Tell'im Steve-Dave!' schtick.

 

I disagree with you both.

 

[Jables]

1. I'm DEEPLY fucking offended that the American version of The Office is what instantly comes to mind. It's a passable sitcom, or it was for a few years, but the original 12 ep+specials were brilliant.

 

2. I eventually pointed out the term "Indie" because you love to throw it around in regards to myself, and it doesn't make any sense. GENERALLY it tends to be in reference to anything that you haven't heard of. The only indie book I enjoy that fits the type of thing you're talking about would be Optic Nerve. And no, I'm definitely not recommending it to you, nor have I mentioned it here.

All I'm saying is that the books that fit the criteria you describe seem to be mostly imaginary is all, and you certainly aren't hearing about them from me. So don't make me their spokesman. I took issue because I PRESUMED you were using the term in the same way that you always have, i.e. - not actually talking about indie books at all.

 

3. Don't get all irritated when people can't comprehend what you're talking about because you're using the wrong words, and don't get mad at me for pointing it out.

I only brought up the Graphic Novel thing because DoJ is new to comics and I'd hate for him to immediately be perceived as a bit of a wanker if he's ever talking shop with strangers. I was being a bro.

 

4. Re: Ghostworld. It's fair to dislike that story, but that came out in Eightball. The page after this. It absolutely should not be representative of the book.

 

5.

I never called you stupid or fuckface or anything (that I recall...I haven't reread those posts). You did call me a cunt, among other things, but that's neither here nor there. What I did call you, repeatedly, was ignorant of the subject at hand. Which I think you copped to, in a roundabout way.

 

6. I'm right and you're wrong.

 

7. You realize axels is bookmarking all of this for dramatic readings, right?

 

All of this seems fairly in line with what the critics call 'kissing and making up' but I'm deeply offended that you assumed I meant the American Office. Well not really, but I just wanted to clarify that I had no specific one in mind as they're both dead-on and I've only just realised Gervais' guy was David Brent or something(at time of Posting Michael Scott was a universal name).

 

Also, everyone refers to you as the Indie guy, I acknowledge that somehow my delivery will generally come across as more venomous than intended, but I never use the term 'indie' in a derogatory fashion(unless I'm bitching about books like Ghost World). But I wondered while all this was going on, where does something like ABC sit? Alan Moore is decidedly counter-culture right? But his books are so dynamic and Tom Strong is one of my favourites and it's obviously apeing the style of golden age big-publisher stuff so...

 

You have an ask thread for this shit right? If not you should.

 

To bring this mess back on topic I submit that while having not read AVX, the ending I've read alluded to/discussed has to be seen. I now realise I may have already said this too. Hm.

[Thrizzle]

What are you asking about Tom Strong, exactly? It falls under neither the "indie" nor "alternative" umbrella, if that's what you meant. Most of Alan Moore's stuff doesn't. It's a superhero adventure book published by DC via Wildstorm. It's creator owned though, so that's something.

[The NZA]

Punisher War Journal is making me a fan of giandomenico's art, cause of panels like this

 

[Thrizzle]

To briefly dredge up and clarify, since I was rereading some recent stuff, the only reason I took exception to the term "graphic novel" was because he said it wasn't a comic book. I can't abide that. If he'd simply called it a graphic novel, it wouldn't have blipped on my radar at all.

 

So, the Rotworld crossover has turned out pretty cool, if a bit wacky on Swamp Thing's side. Looks like this is coming to a head next month.

[Iambaytor]

So I decided to read Scarlet Spider because it ties in with Minimum Carnage and I wanted to read that too. This book... I never imagined I could be made to give any fucks about Kaine. This is the Venom book I've wanted since I was a kid, now I'm wondering why all the actual Venom books until Flash sucked because obviously the premise works really fucking well!

[The NZA]

shit, really? maybe i shouldn'tve slept on that one - what's your take on Minimum Carnage?

[Iambaytor]

Haven't got to it yet but Scarlet Spider is a way better series than it has any right to be.

[Keth]

Playing a little catch up and grabbed Saga 7-9 and Animal Man 13-16

 

Really hope these digital comics will go down in price one day.

[Keth]

Anyone check out the new Witch Doctor? Just saw it's back. Logans?

[Thrizzle]

I have not, but I think about it every time a new issue comes out.

[Thrizzle]

Anyone check out the new Witch Doctor? Just saw it's back. Logans?

 

Just finished Malpractice #3. Fans of the series will have more to enjoy. The shark hasn't been jumped quite yet.

 

I wish this book would sell. It would make a cool TV show.

[Iambaytor]

So hey everybody, I know DC's New 52 sucks but you should really be reading All-Star Western and Demon Knights because they are two of the best mainstream books running right now and they're both fucking amazing.

[Iambaytor]

So hey, Venom is still running and The Six Guns' Cullen Bun has now turned Venom into a cross between Toxin's solo book and the new Scarlet Spider book with Philadelphia being swapped in for Houston and Flash Thompson being swapped in for Patrick Mulligan/Kane. So far the change feels good though, gives Flash a chance to grow into his own, and they had to figure some way to get him out of town so that nobody catches onto Octo-Spider just yet. Like in Punisher War Zone, Deadpool, and possibly Red Hulk (does anybody even read that book) there has still been no acknowledgement of the Thunderbolts (which is fine, cause it's a stupid book. I'm just glad the actual series gets to continue on as Dark Avengers) and I'm also glad to see

Eddie alive and well with no burn-face, though I suppose it could just be the Toxin symbiote prettying him up. Not sure yet if he's still doing his Son of Sam thing but it looks like he's still pissed at Eddie, I hope not and they can just do what they do with Johnny Blaze every time somebody else gets Ghost Rider powers and make him a supporting character. Eddie Brock has a lot of personality to mine, but all anybody seems to want to touch on is that he's a symbiote addict and kind of a shit-head. The guy is Marvel's Bane (which is to say a great character often used as a two-dimensional "big guy who hits things" by bad or lazy writers.)

I'm definitely on board for where this is going and I hope this book and this take on the character sticks around for a long time.

 

Also, this totally happened:

[Newtype]

Marville

 

I knew it was bad but I had no idea of the horror that was waiting for me.

[Iambaytor]

Why would you willingly do that to yourself?

[Iambaytor]

Fables: werewolves of the heartland. Apparently bigby wolf is not content being merely wolverine and is now also hellboy. Also wolfcocks... So many wolfcocks.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Iambaytor

[Iambaytor]

Just finished the last issue of Greg Rucka's Punisher War Zone. It makes no fucking sense in continuity but fuck that, Rucka wrote the best Punisher story ever. Yes, THE BEST. It's better than any of the Ennis incarnations and this was a fucking legendary run.

[Newtype]

Why would you willingly do that to yourself?

 

I saw Llinkara doing a review and I wanted to check it out myself. I had to stop at #3 from just how bad it was.