Silent Bob Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 This is a topic to talk about a rareity in the film industry - a good sequel. Not just a good sequel, but one that lives up to or perhaps even surpasses its predecessor. Are there any? I think there are. A good sequel brings back everything we loved about a movie - characters, chemistry, settings - and eliminates anything we didn't like. I think there've been a few (James Bond movies don't count). Like, maybe... Aliens Terminator 2 Toy Story 2 Silence of the Lambs The Empire Strikes Back Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade I know I can think of more, but I'm too tired, tonight...maybe tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 For a few Dollars More, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly Godfather II here's to hopin we can add "Matrix Relodead" here soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 I think the only thing that made Aliens works was that it was a completely DIFFERENT kind of film. It was an action film. the first one was a horror/suspense film. I think the first one is better, but the second is good in it's own right. They had this conversation in Scream 2 (they had a discussion about scary movie in the first one, so they have a discussion about sequels in the second one, pretty clever). I can only think of one more. Army of Darkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Good Call Jack, have to agree there (GOD is that a first??? ?) other good sequels? Let me think!? Hmmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkerSeed Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 I remember we had a previous thread a long time ago where we talked about good sequels, or rather, at least I said all I had to say about them and everyone else just didn't care... If I could dig that up I'd post it, I pretty much said all I care to say about sequels. But yeah, there are some great sequels, arguably one of the best films of all time is a sequel, the godfather 2. James cameron is great at sequels, as evidenced by aliens and T2. I still have high hopes for true lies 2 if it's still being made... A good sequelk doesn't necesarrily mean it's better than the orignial. I don't think tower of doom or last crusade touched the quality of raiders of the lost ark, buit they are damned fine sequels. I do know that to make a sequel, you need a better excuse than the fact that the first one made lots of money. :ill: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 Good Call Jack, have to agree there (GOD is that a first??? ?) SoF - Nah, it's not. It's just that when we disagree is always gets you so angry and me so defensive and unwilling to back down that it becomes the kind of spectical that overshadows the simple little agreements we do have. Out disagreement seem to be far more memorable than out agreements. Junker - What's tower of doom? :p ; ) You're right about a sequel not having to be better than it's predessor to be good, but I'm pretty sure that's what his thread is about, isn't it? Any thoughts on this?: I think Superman II was better than the first. Also if you go WAY back, i think most people say Bride of Frankenstein was better than the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 13, 2002 Author Share Posted July 13, 2002 Heh, I loved Tower of Doom... Yeah, I agree Crusades wasn't as great as Raiders, but I thought it at least lived up to the idea, by adding Sean Connery's character. And no, sequels don't have to be as good as the originals. I have all three Die Hards in my collection, but I know the second two weren't nearly as good as the first (though the third wasn't so bad). Doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them. But, yeah, 's not what the thread's about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donovan Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Rocky II The rest were uh... Dare I say it? Hurdy gur, Donovan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 No, I think you dare not say it, if in any way shape or form you think Rocky wasn't ten times as good as all it's sequels combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 15, 2002 Author Share Posted July 15, 2002 Wasn't there a sixth Rocky movie planned, about a year ago? Or did someone finally find whatever exec was responsible for that idea and beat the hell out of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Well, I abhore violence, so I hope that there never was any such plans, because if their were, a beating would definitely be in order, and it would bring me no pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 17, 2002 Author Share Posted July 17, 2002 Hey, JMT, how do you change what's underneath your avatar, anyway? Yours reminds me of grand WarCraft III memories...ah...if only I could get the game to work again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 It one of the perks of having 1000 plus posts. By the way, "Rover, Wanderer, Nomad, Vagabond, call me what you will" is a lyric from "Whereever I May Roam" by Metallica, just in case you were curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I wasnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkerSeed Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Right... that has a lot to do with sequels... so... to get back on track Drunken Master 2 is a hundred times better than drunken master 1 and is usually considered jackie chan's best movie. Kung foo movies dont have problems with bad sequels, usually sequels are bad because you ruin the plot but if there is no plot to begin with, you're in the clear! Case in point better tomorrow 2, fucking great movie, plot, nonexistant! Same with part 3. No plot, no problem. Though some sequels dont come out so well, I can surely appreciate the work put into them. The writers of the planet of the apes series were the hardest working bastards in show business... they blew up the goddamned planet in one script for the sole purpose of never having to write another ha! child's play! They demanded another sequel, so they just wrote around that little detail. And it came out fairly well, I think. I mean, as well as it's gonna come out when you have some writers ending each script more definitively than the next, only to have to write another. The blair witch sequel had a very good concept, a great script I dare say... too bad the movie still sucked, I think that one almost made it. After the success of the first movie a group goes into the forest to do a documentary and freaky shit happens, lots of good ideas, too bad it sucked. Sometimes it's cool to see them write a sequel to a movie that was very obviously not written with one in mind just to see where the writers go with it. Oh, and on somewhat related sequel news, Frant Darabont (Shawshank redemption, green mile, did some writing on saving private ryan) the writer for Indy Iv says that the story will be set in the 50's because indy's older so there will be no nazis, but he assured the villains will be cool in some interviews. I think this one's definately looking up. Wrote quite a bit... but this is a decent topic! Why must it all spiral downward into posts worthy of blargh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 the story will be set in the 50's because indy's older so there will be no nazis, but he assured the villains will be cool in some interviews. the Fifties! Looks like it's Communist Russia's time to shine in an Indy flick! I hear Indy IV has Indy's son in it, and i think Connery is back too (but I'm not as sure about that), so three generations of Joneses! I'm curious as to see who'll play that part. Indy has IV pretty good movie to look up to. If can't be just a decent film and then still be better than that one like for Batman sequels (no matter what, they'll always be able to say 'at least it was better than B&R'). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 17, 2002 Author Share Posted July 17, 2002 Yeah, I don't think they've gotten Connery to agree to the part, yet. I don't even think they've asked, yet. As for Indy's son. That'll be the most sought after part for up-and-coming actors since Anakin. If they wanted a bigger name, my suggestion would be Josh Hartnett. And speaking of movies built for sequels, what about the Alien series? I think the biggest requirement for directing an Alien sequel was that you had to promise to fuck up the last director's ending as much as possible. I mean, in Alien, she escapes the alien and heads back to earth, but in the sequel, oh no, no she doesn't, she drifts out there for 57 years instead! At the end of Aliens, she flees the planet with friends, but in Alien3 she crashes and all her friends die. Well, that sucks. And in Alien3 she kills herself to save the world, but in Alien 4, oh no, Ripley, we won't even let you do that! We're gonna clone you! I can hear Ridley Scott's exasperated sighs all the way over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkerSeed Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Nah, only great directors can touch alien, but that doesnt matter. All is lost now, the alien franchise is cursed! I guess I can see fincher's failure, his debut and all, you shouldn't debut on such a huge blockbuster movie, he got edited, and generally fucked left and right, and he just wasn't very experienced. Now jean-pierre jeunet... what the fuck was htis man doing directing an alien movie in the first place? I want to know who was the fucking genius that suggested he direct one. "City of lost children was sci-fi.... shit, this guy could do an alien movie! I mean, it's pretty much the same thing, right?" It sucks too, because alien seems like the kind of franchise that would be fun for directors to take turns doing, and you'd get to see what's essentially the same story, told in a bunch of different ways. Sort of like mission impossible, if they keep going the way it looks like they're going. I think that's a great approach to a sequel. Tell the same story over and over, but just let it be a sort of playground for writers and directors to have fun with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Die Hard with a vengeance, thought was pretty cool!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Die Hard with a Vengence was cool. "You know what your problem is? You're racist." "I'm what?" "Yeah, that's right. You don't like me cause I'm white." "I don't like you cause you're gonna get me killed!" As far as Indy 4's Indy Jr casting. I wonder if they'll written the script for a certain age and cast based on that, or if they'll cast whoever they want for whatever purposes and they written the script around his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 "You interfered with a well-laid plan." "Yeah? Well you can take your well-laid plan and stick up your well-laid ass." Yeah, I liked that one, too. I liked it because it was a lot different from the first one, whereas the second tried too hard to match the first. Did anyone else think the original Die Hard often seemed like some kinda McGuyver: the Movie? The third was a standard buddy cop movie. Actually, that makes sense because the original version of the script was supposed to be made into a Lethal Weapon sequel, until they decided to re-write it to suit Die Hard. And, oh yeah, Callista Flockhart is in Indy 4 (sigh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperEeyore Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 :0 :0 :0 :0 :0 I am in shock none of you have mentioned AUSTIN POWERS THE SPY WHO SHAGGED ME... dude its a great movie and alot funnier than the first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Hm, ok, I'll agree to that, SE. I thought it was funny. I always thought Dr. Evil was a funnier character than Austin, and the second one focused on him a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 I thought it was an extention of the first one. It was more of the same. The second one couldn't stand on its own because so many of the jokes were direct references to the first movie. If you can get passed that, it is a great movie, but the first one wins over the second in my book for originality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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