The NZA Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 mebbe that's whats rubbing me wrong. im even less fond of "x-men...IN SPACE!" tales than you...you know Brubaker, writer of said Winter Soldier? he just finished a decent Shi'ar epic that bored me to tears. Plus, yeah, im not sure why Danger's along for the ride, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Yeah, the third summers brother thing struck me as ill-concieved. I mean, lets take a tangent til the next issue of astonishing comes out... Deadly Genesis was just 6 issues of filler leading to a big 'reveal' that had no emotional impact. It could have been so much better, but Summers #3 is nothing but a whiny bitch. His motive for revenge on the Xmen is thinner than 1-ply TP. Even for Marvel that's bad. What Brubaker did with him in the Shi'ar storyline made more sense since the Shi'ar killed his mother and enslaved him. **Spoiler ahead** The big death at the end made me angry since it served no purpose in the story other than shock value. Add to that the fact that Summers #3 has a horrible costume... And just BEFORE all this, We get what was individually a pretty effective issue, the massacre at the Grey family reunion by Shi'ar bent on preventing the return of the Phoenix, but which has gone NOWHERE. It's not even clear if the attackers were rogues or acting under official orders or what. Speaking of Marvel Girl, I'm pretty damned sick of all these Xmen from the future and from alternate realities. There's evil versions of the original Xmen in Excalibur and The Evil Beast from AoA (making a total of *3* beasts). There's Cable and Bishop and Bishop's sister... and I think I saw that Stryfe, who's a clone of Cable, is back too... Is X-man good and gone at least? Argh. Is there anyone else here who thinks that M-day would haveactually meant something if more X-men had lost their powers? I mean, 300 from a million or more means only 0.01% of mutants kept their powers but 90% of the X-men lineup is intact? If I were a de-powered mutant I'd blame the Xmen for Mday just based on that. At least they de-powered Xavier. That's fun. But they should have taken a character like Beast who might actually ENJOY getting rid of his mutation and de-powered him and THEN this Extinction storyline where beast is supposed to find a cure would have some real conflict. That flying kid who offed himself in the Danger Room is the only one who seemed to be acting out the full potential of this M-Day idea. Well, I don't want to rant the whole post. I am reeally enjoying X-Factor, at least. Can't say enough good things about that book. Peter David makes third tier characters interesting as always, and Quicksilver as a villian makes sense in more than one way. And Multiple Man actually has depth and growth and personality... (Let's hope Peter David doesn't feel the urge to do X-Factor... IN SPACE stories. He already did a Hulk one a while back, so he's got a liking for the genre...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 Deadly Genesis was just 6 issues of filler leading to a big 'reveal' that had no emotional impact. It could have been so much better, but Summers #3 is nothing but a whiny bitch. His motive for revenge on the Xmen is thinner than 1-ply TP. Even for Marvel that's bad. eh, i tend to disagree slightly; the concept of Xavier abandoning another team prior to the infamous gaint-sized x-men premeriing all the favorites...its the kind of back-story bru nailed in Winter Soldier and i really dug the concept. i thought the 3rd brother had plenty of reaosn to be pissed, but yeah, he did come off whiny. what was worse for me, was killing Banshee in such a quick, forgetable scene, kinda wasted. The big death at the end made me angry since it served no purpose in the story other than shock value. Add to that the fact that Summers #3 has a horrible costume... wait, i know this is rebuffing your point here, but im trying to remember who died at the end. D'Ken? Corsair? who? And just BEFORE all this, We get what was individually a pretty effective issue, the massacre at the Grey family reunion by Shi'ar bent on preventing the return of the Phoenix, but which has gone NOWHERE. It's not even clear if the attackers were rogues or acting under official orders or what. wow, i either totally forgot about that or just missed it. Speaking of Marvel Girl, I'm pretty damned sick of all these Xmen from the future and from alternate realities. There's evil versions of the original Xmen in Excalibur and The Evil Beast from AoA (making a total of *3* beasts). There's Cable and Bishop and Bishop's sister... and I think I saw that Stryfe, who's a clone of Cable, is back too... Is X-man good and gone at least? Marvel Girl, im no fan of. Exaclibur's always been irrelevent to me, and wait, how're you getting 3 Beasts? should just be the 2. I adore AoA so i kinda let the bullshit from there get a pass, wrong or not. Cable i dig, tho i dug the post 9-11 Soldier X direction more, perosnally...this savior angle's been interestnig, and having Deadpool along hasnt hurt. shame Cable's dead...for the moment. Sacrificing yourself to stop Sunfire & fucking Gambit is no way for a guy who's former powers rivaled Mags & Xavier's to go . Is there anyone else here who thinks that M-day would haveactually meant something if more X-men had lost their powers? I mean, 300 from a million or more means only 0.01% of mutants kept their powers but 90% of the X-men lineup is intact? If I were a de-powered mutant I'd blame the Xmen for Mday just based on that. At least they de-powered Xavier. That's fun. But they should have taken a character like Beast who might actually ENJOY getting rid of his mutation and de-powered him and THEN this Extinction storyline where beast is supposed to find a cure would have some real conflict. That flying kid who offed himself in the Danger Room is the only one who seemed to be acting out the full potential of this M-Day idea. Jesus, yes. the whole M-Day had no sting when uh, Iceman lost his powers for like a month (no idea how they came back) and Polaris too. X-books since have been so shitty. I actually intially liked David Hine's idea of making Xavier's estate a soveign (sp?) nation, like a reservation/sanctuary for the last mutants, but the wholly forgettable mini-series attatched to that was piss. To be honest, the absolute best thing gonig on/around M-Day is hands down X-Factor, props again to 2T for shoving that shit on me. Your boy Peter David has a much more interesting team going there, month to month, and its all your favorite guys mostly, with homages to your favorite arcs too (the psychiatrist issue came back a few months ago!). At least one person from their team is de-powered and suicidal as a result; not only does he have more character, the fucking event actually got an iota of impact from me. I need more than just the Blob dealing with excess skin to be moved. Well, I don't want to rant the whole post. I am reeally enjoying X-Factor, at least. Can't say enough good things about that book. Peter David makes third tier characters interesting as always, and Quicksilver as a villian makes sense in more than one way. And Multiple Man actually has depth and growth and personality... (Let's hope Peter David doesn't feel the urge to do X-Factor... IN SPACE stories. He already did a Hulk one a while back, so he's got a liking for the genre...) ...and that's what i get for responding to sections in quotes and not reading ahead in your post. nevermind. but yeah, Quicksilver's a good villian; did you happen to read the x-factor prequel "Maddrox", i think it was? great noire shit, youd dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 testing spoiler tags. I thought they didn't work anymore...[sp]hows about now?[/sp] No? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Um yeah, Nick Corsair is who I'm talking about. Made no sense to the story served no purpose except to say, Look this crazy Summers killed his father! As for Cable... Dead? I read X-men 200 where he fights Sunfire and Gambit and it wasn't clear that he died. Just an explosion. X-men is on of the few books I get in print form here in Guyana, so I don't DL it. Means' I;m always about 3 months behind though. The Grey Massacre is in Uncanny about 5 issues or so before the Vulcan thing kicks off. Yeah, the idea of the second Xmen actually being the 3rd Xmen and the dead secret team was cool. I like that they took the time to introduce the dead ones with individual flashback stories. But they didn't justify it. I mean what was Xavier's motivation for erasing Cyclop's memories again? preventing grief or something? That's weak. Scott Summers was an expert in dealing with grief by that time. I'm also getting tired of the whole, Xavier is a cunt theme... can't say why because it makes him interesting, but Whedon did it with Danger as well. Does anyone here remember the days when the Proessor would refuse to enter people's minds cuz it was unethical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 oh, shit, yeah. boy youre right, that wasnt memorable. Cable's "death" came to light after said explosion if i remember correct. he's been dead before. he's not just an x-man; he's a really powerful, time-travlling x-man, so he stays dead for a few months tops most times. its hard to take seriously. Also, on X-Man himself: yeah, Warren Ellis wrote him off in the 60-something issue. ive yet to finish the arc, he took him in this weird shaman angle but no one argued cause, fuck, what angle did he have before that? i thought Xavier wiped their minds cause he knew he made a horrible mistake and nobody'd tryst his judgement if he'd sent teens off to die on their first mission. Youre right, the "Xavier's a cunt" thing got stale but in recent issues, theyre clearly past it. and i too have thought about how easy X reads/changes minds these days, and at first, sure, i objected, but you know what? I buy the idea of the world's most powerful telepath having the integrity to never, ever use his powers to not pay for parking or something, about as well as i buy Cap being a soldier in WW II and only killing nazi vampires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Anybody like Warren Ellis' first issue on the book (#25)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Nick didn't, I'm still missing the last few issues of Whedon's run. Is Ellis' beginning an okay jumping-on point? Noone can really credit Ellis for being accesible can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 its totally a fine jump-on point, youre not left out of much that it doesnt catch you up on really quick-like - for instance, theyre living in San Fran now apparently. Its more the fact that i wasnt made to care by the issue's end, and that's both Ellis and the artists' fault, personally. Moreso Ellis cause it didnt feel like x-men talking sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 That doesn't suprise me, Ellis' weird science has never been at home with dedicated hero books(see X-man & Wolverine), I shan't be suprised if by next issue we see Wolverine sporting a nano-virus causing folks to 'trip balls' whenever he snikts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 aw, come now. Ellis shined on books like Planetary, and his Ultimate FF wasnt bad but clearly not his strength. his solo Wolverine run, "Not Dead Yet", however, was top notch; you gotta read my trade of that when you get over here. it stood out amongst a lot of :crunk: shit back then. but yeah, not a good fit so far. He's writing them bold & all but there's times it just doesnt sound like who it's supposed to be, and that's a shame to say about x-characers who've not always been greatly fleshed out (Storm, Cyk before Whedon, pretty much anyone who's not wolvy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 O/t but I don't care: Cyclops has really grown a pair from what I saw in Messiah CompleX, and a lotta that from what I see is groundwork laid by Whedon. Now back to it. I'm not bashing Ellis, Transmet is pearls for swine and Planetary, his run on Stormwatch & Authority really made those books something unique, I'm just saying his brand wouldn't fit well on a tights book. And be honest, between Hama & Larson it really wasn't hard to write a good :wolvie: story in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 was a chore to read. fucking boring dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 17, 2008 Author Share Posted July 17, 2008 that's not an unfair assesment (my view) of volume 2. did you read the first volume? especially arc 1, was really good. wish itdve stayed that way. Skeet - on hana & co, touche. though i oddly stand by Larson's run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Still waiting for the second HC to come... fuck it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 really? i liked the first arc of volume 2, "Unstoppable", but didnt end up liking the last half in space much. i think ill stick with just vol 1's HC when i can find a good deal. as for Ellis' current run, im giving it 1 or 2 more issues to surprise me, then its dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Really??? Woooww... Then again, I never read nothing else more than that first HC... lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Picked up #26 (the 2nd Ellis issue) a few days back. I'm diggin' his run so far. I like the change in atmosphere. I guess X-Men never really came off as "sci-fi" to me (besides Claremont's clear obsession with Star-Trek/Alien in the late 70's/ early 80's.), but that seems to be the direction Ellis is taking it. I think he's just building up steam, letting you know "his" X-Men and how they operate. The ball hasn't really started rolling yet. I can't say it's for everyone. In fact I think it's specifically not for folks that are diehard fans of other spandex books. This will most likely bore the dogshit out of you (at least for the time being). I think he's got a plan, and some very cool shit is on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 the move to san fran still felt arbitrary, but i gotta admit, theyre working overtime to make Cyk be a badass these days (between this, x-force etc) and its starting to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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