Jumbie Posted April 4, 2002 Share Posted April 4, 2002 Jordan has ended his first season back after his 2nd retirement. This season saw highs (52 points against Charlotte for example) and lows (6 points in the game before Charlotte). http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-...Jordan-Out.html username: drunkennews password: pinky I have never seen a man more commited to winnning than Jordan. Actually, what I see in him is not a desire to win as much as a desire to triumph. That won't ever change, but can his body still keep up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kee Posted April 6, 2002 Share Posted April 6, 2002 I think the man is in great fucking shape. I dont' think anyone else actually thinking well he only made 6 points in the last game I think it's time he let go. If they are they're stupid. That's like saying when Ali lost against Frazier that he should retire. People have bad days. Let the man play untill his body tells him that's enough. Because when that happens he's going to be the first to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 7, 2002 Share Posted April 7, 2002 Yeah, I'm with Kee here....Jordan should, of course, retire, but not till he's good & ready. He's a great athlete, he'll know when its time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yahve Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 The bastard should retire right now !!! he earns too much money for sports. my spite isnt directed at jordan in particular, i just hate the fact that some guys are born with natural sporting talent and make a killing for it. Not making a living, not being rich... but earning fucking millions a year. thats fucking insane. call me jealous but i think that there should be a 100k salary cap for athletes. they can survive just FINE on a doctor's salary so they can just enjoy that ! It angers me that they are better paid than many other more deserving members of society ( ie teachers) just because of media advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 First of all, natural ability is not enough by the time you reach the NBA. You don't pop out of the woom and sign a 7-year contract before losing the umbilical chord. Secondly, why not pay them that much? Professional sports are a big industry and rake in big money, and it's because of the players, what they do is worth that much money, if not more (supply and demand, that's capitalism). If they got a 100k salary cap, the NBA would still make tons of money and it would just go to the team owners anyway. I see no reason why the owners are more worthy of the money than teh players. This was actually a big issue several decades ago, when lots professional athelites could barely get by. After strikes and things like that we came to a point where everbody thinks they're overpayed. And if you're a communist, that's fine, but as long as we still live in a capitalist society, professional athelites deserve what they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yahve Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 professional athelites could barely get by ROFL. that time has come and gone. I see no reason why the owners are more worthy of the money than teh players no one is born with $$ talent, its earned through work and education. brain over brawn if you want to oversimplify. You don't pop out of the woom and sign a 7-year contract before losing the umbilical chord lol. some people do. those born into riches, fame get the social leverage to follow in their parents footsteps. pretty people have a far easier time at life than normal folks. basketball is a game. to get paid to play a game is a reward enough ! i think my 100k cap is more than worthy. ( id put a cap on the tycoons too but they know how to reinvest their capital. a rich moneymaker recycles cash into development. a rich athlete burns it in material goods. the former is more benefitial for the economy than the latter ) And if you're a communist, that's fine I'm all for partial communism ! just ask Che Guevara. i do believe in earning your own worth... i dont believe that gap between minimum wage and professional athletes should be that large. Here is where the gov should reign in on capitalism, and prevent it from running amok. This isnt about comunism vs capitalism, i like features of both parties. this is about preventing capitalism to run haywire. Time has shown that capitalism provides us with great advances, but is heartless in punishing our mistakes. we must hold the reigns of capitalism because preventing is allways better than a cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 most team owners aren't the rags to riches work hard all his life type, most inherited them or they are corporations. the popping out of the woom was a comment directed only for athelites, not the rich. And the entire "paid to play a game is a reward enough" is bullshit. Should everyone who enjoys what they do be refused money? Only getting payed for misery? If one were to like computers and puzzle solving, does that mean he shouldn't get payed to be a computer programmer, and payed to this for worth? Program faster slave! You enjoy programming too much to get payed! And anyone who thinks palying pro ball is easy for anyone is an idiot. Sure, some people have more god-given ability, but at the level of the pros, everyone is working their ass off to be as good as they can be. And your entire basketball players waste their money on material things while company ceo reinvest it ideology makes you sound more reaganomicistis than roland reagan. Who's to say a basketball player wouldn't invest his money in teh economy or start out a charity? who's to say the ceo won't buy a mansion the size of delaware? for a communist, you sure have lots of opinions that result in the rich getting richer and the hard working poor stay poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yahve Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Should everyone who enjoys what they do be refused money? Only getting payed for misery? 100k for playing a game well? Give ME that misery! hell id take 20k for playing diablo 2 :sly: at the level of the pros, everyone is working their ass LOL i never said they didn't "work" hell under that clause anything is work. Yes I recognize the effort they put into the game. Congratulations Mr. Jordan, who works so hard to put a ball into a hoop, he shd be a millionare.... I guess Im alone in this view. Maybe you are right, maybe he shd be a millionare. Athletes will probably continue to be over paid as long as there are Suits to pay them. They will continue to do so as long as there is a market of people who enjoy voyeurism to the point of making it TV worthy, Merchandise worthy and Trademark worthy. It's all about business. I'm sorry I feel it's just a silly thing to waste money on. If you want to watch sports, anyone can do it for free, just go to your local park or get your friends together. If you want to play sports, go right ahead, no one is stopping you. The primitive war tribe mentality of paying for sporting events just strikes a cord i guess. It all boils down to what people are willing to pay for entertainment... If Jordan didn't earn as much I'm sure the consumers wouldn't have to overpay as much to watch their sporting events so that the Suits can pay up. It's a vicious publicity cycle, time to step in and give the robotic capitalistic mind a good whack to the head. Who's to say a basketball player wouldn't invest his money in teh economy or start out a charity? call it an educated guess. Most charities are retarded. They spend half their income and advertising and logistics and just give away the rest in material goods. I'm all for charities that increase education, industry or environment. Most aren't like this though. Teach the man to fish and he can feed his family sort of thing. It's unfortunately so much easier to give fish away and look good doing it. People get instant gratification for little hastle and get a moral high out of it. gotta have more vision than that. you sure have lots of opinions that result in the rich getting richer and the hard working poor stay poor. Hmm this should start another thread... maybe after finals. i'm all for the rich getting richer, thats what America is all about, earning a better standard of living. Just not at the cost of a great many people. Goverment is a power because its financial backbone to enforce. Private industry is no different, just look at Microsoft. If you believe they have no influence on our society then you must be on the moon. $$ = Power. An old adage that has never gone wrong. The rich should be given a part of that governmental responsibility that Power through Money entails. Enforce a law of diminishing returns... where your income doesn't rise as fast to a function of the minimum wage. TycoonIncome=HardWorkandEconomicSuccess(CurrentMinimumWage); Do this and guess what, the rich will take measures to make the poor richer so that said wealth can come back to them even greater in turn. A very good retroactive relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Yahven's initial point of social priorites had merit tho: teachers, for instance, should hold a financially desirable position, where only the best/most innovative make the cut. Idealistic? Sure, but not outside the realm of reason. I too agree that athletes make far too much $, but then Jack actually had a point in the owners/merchandising makin a killin for the player's performance. I only truly take offense when athletes (olympic and non) are passed off as "heroes", they may entertain and perhaps inspire, but for the most part, they do nothin else for society. Hero is a word to be held in high regard. Yahven - So you know, (tho i think ive mentioned this before) CARE charity is the best of the ones ive researched. Less than 10% goes to administration/advertisin, and like habitat for humanity, they go into other countries & feed em, but also set up homes and teach the locals the basics of agriculture, construction, etc. United Way, on the other hand, uses less than 45% on actual philanthropy. The good guys are out there, but ya gotta do the research to find em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted April 22, 2002 Author Share Posted April 22, 2002 Athlete's salaries depend on how much people are willing to pay to see them. WE invest ourselves in sports so much that it translates into lots of money. And it is We who are responsible for low teacher salaries. Teacher raises are voted for in school districts and are rarely approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yahve Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 I agree with Irish Cowboy's views on the moral admiration of sporting figures. I didn't mention it because i didnt want to spread myself too thin. Yeah we do elect to NOT raise teacher salaries... the people are fools. *idea* I must have a word with Ché, this democracy will be our own undoing. Time for a strong radical hand to hold reign over this capitalist society. DICTATORSHIP ! I will sacrifice myself for my people and take charge of our country. I am that man who would be king. :kodama: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacchus Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 And if you're a communist, that's fine, but as long as we still live in a capitalist society, professional athelites deserve what they get. Deserves got nothing to do with it! lookie here dont go making this into a political thing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 dont go making this into a political thing . No, wouldnt wanna do that over 'n Current Events... Wish i knew of these votes for teacher's pay, havnet heard much of em round here m'self. Anyway, on the notion of social priority...most of us'd agree that Dr.'s make a fair amount for their work, so who else besides teachers are gettin gyped? Id vote for nurses, they do a great deal of directly important work for a fraction of the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacchus Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 Architects ...thats who!... WE WORK 4 YEARS FOR BACHELORS AND ADDITIONAL 2 FOR MASTERS AND WE MUST DO A 3 YEARS INTERN BE FOR WE CAN REGISTER AND PRACTICE AND THEN WE ONLY MAKE 25,000 A YEAR... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 Yeah, but in today's modern society with contractors, construction crews, interior designers, etc, how do we justify the need for architects, much less makin their job so lucrative? ..just playin devil's advocate here, dont come crap on my bed or anythin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 wow....long before our notion to have some thread cohesion (granted, we were still a small FIU forum at the time), this was one of the earliest capitalist vs socialist arguments i could find...arch, you seei this? Yahven made Jax look like a republican for a minute. i should get yahven back on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Ironically, Yahve is a teacher now. Almost makes me want to vote down salary raises for teachers. I point to this thread to illustrate that I'm not a communist, btu it's mroe important to show that beign tot he right of ?Yahve doesn't make me left. Or right for that matter. Yahve is so all over the place he's like Multiple Man. His opinions about politics and society embodied all the looney tenents of Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Draco, Voldemort, Darth Vader, Darkseid, and the Wicked Witch of the West. Remember "Madagascar"? Of course you do. Everyone whose heard of his Madagascar proposal is cursed to never forget it. Sigh, but if you want to get him back, the first thing to say would be that The Vagrant is long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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