the division of joy Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 ok, i appreciate what you say.. but as i said.. i have tried to like cash... i just don't... and i don't see how he influences so much music... if anything nine inch nails influenced him and his song choice in the form of hurt, same with d-mode and personal jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 See what i said? Education for the youth. Here's right off of wiki: He sold over 50 million albums in his nearly 50 year career and is generally recognized as one of the most important musicians in the history of American popular music. From his early days as a pioneer of rockabilly and rock and roll in the 1950s, to his decades as an international representative of country music, to his resurgence to fame as both a living legend and an alternative country icon in the 1990s, Cash has influenced countless artists and left a body of work matched only by the greatest artists of his time. Upon his death, Cash was revered by many of the greatest popular musicians of his time. In total, he wrote over a thousand songs and released dozens of albums, a box set, titled Unearthed, was issued posthumously. You're right; if, in his second to last album (of over 100 if you include compilations), he covered a few songs to have fun, clearly, Depeche Mode and Reznor were massive influences in his life. ...you know why i dont often post in the auto threads? Prollly because i just dont know a great deal about cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 i know about music, i know a good deal about it... i just don't see the hype with cash... same shit with elvis... in my eyes they're both proof that millions can be wrong... i am one of the few that see it this way... i know i am in minority about it, but don't get all pissy come high and mighty when someone doesn't rate your (seemingly) favorite artist... i wouldn't get this way if you started mouthing off joy division the smiths or the pumpkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 this has nothing to do with prefernces or how much you think you know about music. You're not getitng that. It has to do with the fact that since this thread started, youve yet to say anything of value on a legend. You dont care for him? really? I didnt get that a page ago. But when you say he didnt influence anyone, he's hype, he's influenced by artists like nine inch nanils and depeche mode because he covered them late in his career, you prove you know little to nothing of the artist or his work, and i start to doubt you've even heard a song by him. I could tell you i think Dylan's overrated in some areas, from my own personal feelings, but im not about to deny his influence/importance on folk & other genres, or act like i dont listen to Highway 61 Revisited often. Crack on Wu-Tang and ill show you their contributions to the genre, but respect if theyre not your thing. Deny the influences of an american legend with 50+ years of quality work under his belt, and there's no way you're serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 ok, i appreciate what you say.. but as i said.. i have tried to like cash... i just don't... and i don't see how he influences so much music... if anything nine inch nails influenced him and his song choice in the form of hurt, same with d-mode and personal jesus... That's...eh..quite the pile of shite there DOJ. I would explain to you why you are so wrong but IN already has. Do people actually refer to NIN in the plural tense? It's just Trent Reznor. It's one man with computers and access to studio equipment. Heh sorry i'm just not a big fan of their work and don't know a lot about them...oops i did it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I don't think you can compare the two versions of Hurt. It's impossible. They are both amazing and beautiful in their own ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 jesus, doj, just stop already! its already a train wreck! Anyway, back on topic. I can say that i've never really listened to much Cash (so if anyone could hook me up) but i understand his place in teh pantheon of musical legend, and influence. DoJ, as for your point of "millions can be wrong" jesus, that was said like a true ass hole, just getting pissy cos IN has the info to put you in your place in context of this mans contribution to music during his 50 yr career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 One of only three men to be in the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame, the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame. I do not happen to believe DoJ here, becaue I think that while taste is subjective, everyone likes A Boy Named Sue. Everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 jesus, doj, just stop already! its already a train wreck! Anyway, back on topic. I can say that i've never really listened to much Cash (so if anyone could hook me up) but i understand his place in teh pantheon of musical legend, and influence. DoJ, as for your point of "millions can be wrong" jesus, that was said like a true ass hole, just getting pissy cos IN has the info to put you in your place in context of this mans contribution to music during his 50 yr career. I can help you out with some Johnny Cash I've American II, III, IV and V and The Essential. People should go here more often. Anyway if you want 'em pm me your address and i'll send em to you on a mp3 disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 cash's version of hurt made me cry. NIN's version, while still great, has never gotten me so emotional. cash's voice sounds worn and he sings that song like he's been through hell. i can't say the same about reznor (although i know he's been through some shit too, it just doesn't really come out in his voice). and since when does covering a song mean that the band influenced you? people have coverd hit me baby one more time but that doesn't make britney spears the gandhi of music. jesus christ. when a band actually sounds similar to another band, that's when they're being influenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Well he's obviously not into country music in the first place and Cash pretty much influenced all country music (and a lot of rock n' roll and pop as well) covers are covers and yes there are some horrible ones but they're not bastardizing an artist's work, maybe it has to do with a song being done by an artist who it fits more or somebody with a voice that doesn't sound like he eats a big bowl of barbed wire for breakfast. I mean as much as I like Steeler's Wheel's version of Stuck in the Middle, the Eagles of Death Metal cover was still great though completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 EoDM covered that? Shit, I gotta get on Bearshare when I get home! And let's all ease up on DoJ everyone. He's clearly influenced Jax who, while everyone loves, being a founding member & having more than 15000 posts, I really don't see as that flash a Hondonian. Still, big-up-yourself DoJ!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yeah the Eagles of Death Metal cover is called Stuck in the Metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 A very beautiful piano version of Hurt. I had posted this because I thought it was a sort of Cash tribute, but I got my vids confused. I'mma leave this here for now, though. Sorry for the clutter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I can help you out with some Johnny Cash I've American II, III, IV and V and The Essential. People should go here more often. Anyway if you want 'em pm me your address and i'll send em to you on a mp3 disc. Hook me up, and throw in some Rory Gallager, Jimi Hendrix, and whatever else you'd recommend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 i'll make a mp3 dvd instead, a lot more room. loadsa goodin's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Nice, i'll look forward to it man! thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 postin' it tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 and since when does covering a song mean that the band influenced you? people have coverd hit me baby one more time but that doesn't make britney spears the gandhi of music. jesus christ. when a band actually sounds similar to another band, that's when they're being influenced. clearly, you, much like nick, took what i said about depeche mode influcing cash seriously... i mean, fuck, if i cant express an opinion.. i am one, of a very Very small minority who just doesn't like, relate or even rate cash that much, i really just dislike country music as a whole, as for a boy named sue, i don't like it, i genuinely don't... as i've said, i've tried liking cash, i just don't... i prefer nin's version of hurt... but to have about 5 people jump down my throat for defending my opinion, and to be told i know nothing about music because of it... fuck... you'd swear he was you're founding father.. i doubt id get this emotional a reaction for giving george washington shit... and sof, my statement can be taken as assholish, as can your two faced nature, but thats a matter thats neither here nor there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 clearly, you, much like nick, took what i said about depeche mode influcing cash seriously... i mean, fuck, if i cant express an opinion.. i am one, of a very Very small minority who just doesn't like, relate or even rate cash that much, i really just dislike country music as a whole, as for a boy named sue, i don't like it, i genuinely don't... as i've said, i've tried liking cash, i just don't... i prefer nin's version of hurt... but to have about 5 people jump down my throat for defending my opinion, and to be told i know nothing about music because of it... fuck... you'd swear he was you're founding father.. i doubt id get this emotional a reaction for giving george washington shit... and sof, my statement can be taken as assholish, as can your two faced nature, but thats a matter thats neither here nor there... It's not really that you stated your opinion, it's that you stated your opinion as fact. (Example: I think Nine Inch Nails was a flash in the pan artist from the mid-nineties or Nine Inch Nails was a flash in the pan artist from the mid-nineties and he owed the song Hurt to someone who could actually sing it. The first one pisses you off less, no?) And fuck off, George Washington was the shit! Your monkey ass couldn't pull of a powdered wig and wooden teeth like he did, motherfucker fought a war over tea! He was THE origional gangsta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 what you say doesn't piss me off (about NIN), its your opinion... i could take the common board stance and attack it, but given its your opinion, it would be foolish of me to... and hey, george washington couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, you fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS GOD! Watch this educational documentry on his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Doj, I thought Nick mad eit clear, but I'll essentially repeat what he said. Your opinions are fine, but you said a few things about his influence in the world of music that are just plain, unequivicably and objectively wrong. To underscore his legacy and influence like you did just provokes people to defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Doj I've no problem with you but, don't insult our intelligence by pretending you were jokeing with ok, i appreciate what you say.. but as i said.. i have tried to like cash... i just don't... and i don't see how he influences so much music... if anything nine inch nails influenced him and his song choice in the form of hurt, same with d-mode and personal jesus... you were deadly serious and tryin' desperatley to win a loseing arguement, after this little nugget of wisdom any semblance of logical thought was thrown out the window. Nick then explained to you how and why you were wrong and you reply with pretending you were only jokeing. Just hold your hands up admit you were wrong and move on. As i said I've no problem with you but, shit like this is why so many people here do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 ok, as erratic as my views on cash may be, i really was joking when i said that dmode influenced him.. if you want to think im insulting your intelligence because of it fine.. think that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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