Planet Terror Vs Death Proof

[The NZA]

im still lost....who's taking away previews? Those things sell the film. is this really an issue?

[Ganny McVagflaps]

I shoulda worded that differently. There will be previews, just not all the previews Zombie and Roth's are looking likely to be cut. Another thing there were saying was that in the films themselves alot will probably have to be dropped (they'll insert a scene missing card or something) but everything of course will be restored on the eventual Unrated DVD.

[Ganny McVagflaps]

Nick - inbetween the 2 movies is a series of trailers for fake schlock movies by famous directors (RR himself and as I mentioned before Rob Zombie, Eli Roth and Edgar slice of fried gold Wright. Dunno if Tarintino is doing one).

[HypnotizinChikns]

oh. cool. i can live with that.

Now i'll have to fnd something else to march about.

[Ganny McVagflaps]

THE people who dole out ratings at the Motion Picture Assn. of America just might flip out when they see "Grindhouse," Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez's tribute to the ultraviolent, nudity-drenched pictures that once screened 'round the clock in the grungy movie palaces of 42nd Street.

 

The Weinstein Company, which is releasing the picture April 6 through its Dimension Films arm, needs an R rating for the flick to get into mainstream theaters. But, "some of it is so graphic and outrageous for a major Hollywood studio, there's no question it's headed for an NC-17 without big cuts," says a Page Six operative, who got a sneak peek at the most over-the-top footage.

 

"Grindhouse" is actually two short movies - one directed by Tarantino, the other by Rodriguez - with an intermission between them. During the break, a series of fake trailers will be shown for such fictitious titles as

"Werewolf Women of the SS,"

directed by Rob Zombie.

 

"In one scene,

a cute, topless girl is roughly tied down on a table by evil female Nazi experimenters who begin draining her blood and, as she screams in agony, they brand her like livestock with a coal-hot steel swastika

," our source said. "And

every girl in the Nazi concentration camp is topless

."

 

Another trailer, directed by Eli Roth, of "Hostel" fame, is called

"Thanksgiving," in which a town's celebration of Turkey Day is interrupted by a mad slasher.

 

 

"There's a part where Jordan Ladd [daughter of Cheryl Ladd of 'Charlie's Angels']

is in a car with her boyfriend and giving him [oral sex] when she lovingly reaches to stroke his hair and discovers his neck is just a bloody stump - some maniac had just cut off his head while she was in the act."

 

 

Later,

a frisky cheerleader climbs onto a trampoline and begins stripping naked as she jumps up and down until she does a split and her skirt blows up without panties underneath. "You get the full 'Britney Spears-getting-out-of-the-limo view,' "

our source says. Another jolting scene shows a

grossly obese man chewing on a baby.

 

 

How much of these moviegoers will end up seeing is anybody's guess. "Some cuts definitely will have to be made. There's no question," conceded one studio insider. A Dimension rep declined comment.

 

As you probably know if you care about these things, "Grindhouse" is meticulously constructed to re-create a filmgoing experience that most of its prospective audience probably never had. (I'll tell you about my youthful experiences in the long-gone Lux Theatre of downtown Oakland, Calif., some other time.) Rodriguez's "Terror Planet" will have digitally created scratches, splices, water damage and dye leakage; perversely, since Tarantino's segment (a cars 'n' guns flick called "Death Proof") is actually shot on film, such manipulation will be harder. In between the two "features," we'll see trailers for nonexistent coming attractions; Rodriguez showed us Eli Roth's unbelievably gruesome trailer for a

Thanksgiving-themed slasher pic

that's horrifying, hilarious and guaranteed not to pass muster with the MPAA. (Wait for the DVD, I guess.)

 

Yikes. I wonder how much of this is the marketing squad hyping things up. We've all seen Tarantino and Rodriguez push the hyper-violence before. Believe it or not both Reservoir Dogs and From Dusk 'til Dawn were banned in Ireland when they first came out. The ruling has since been overturned and Kill Bill passed without an eyelid batted, that being said the big showdown at the end of Vol 1 was very stylized and not that realistic. Think Beat Takeshi's stab at Zatoichi. I have a feeling that the MPAA will shit all over it and cuts will be made but in some way I kinda think this'll improve it. Waiting for that big money shot and then getting a "scene missing" card. Regardless it's definitly gonna be a far out experience. Man, I'd say it's perfect for a drive-in.

 

In other news, I don't know if any of you saw this last week but Jello Biafra has a beef with Grindhouse too, or rather the soundtrack where the Dead Kennedy's song

"Too Drunk to Fuck"

appears during a

supposedly very vicious rape

scene. He got pissed that his ex-bandmates liscensed it to the film, and for that particular scene especially and I can't say that I blame him. Everytime I hear Steeler's Wheel I think of the ear-chopping, how fucked up would it be to hear

Too Drunk to Fuck and think of a lecherous Tarantino raping a girl at knife-point

. Nice.

 

Roll on April 6th.

[Iambaytor]

Okay none of the banned shit was anything I haven't seen in other movies. Is it just the fact that it's all in there together that makes it so scandalous?

[Ganny McVagflaps]

So, I guess the whole 'it won't pass uncut!' shit before the MPAA even saw it was some Weinstein Company Publicist magic.

 

Now that the movie is out can we get a which was actually better option in the poll? Pwetty pwease mista Nick...

[La Lindsay]

yeah, all that stuff was bullshit. they're playing all four trailers...one before the movies start and then the other 3 in between. from what i saw, i don't think they cut anything. it's a very very solid R. maybe the most solid R you can get without flirting with NC-17, that tramp.

 

i agree with the new poll thing. i think there should also be a poll for which fake trailer everyone liked the most.

[The NZA]

Planet Terror alla way, against my prediction.

[Ganny McVagflaps]

I'm with the Nick. I would vote but it says I already did...but I didn't. Either way.

 

 

Man, the continuity "errors" in Planet Terror were the best.

Not to mention Biehn, Fahey, Parks, motherfucking Savini! Aw man...I'm gonna stop now. I think I'm still cumming...

[JunkerSeed]

Yeah, I agree, against my prediction, planet terror was way better. That 30 minutes in the middle worth of nothing happening in death proof worked against it.

[Iambaytor]

I predicted this, the 30 minutes of Death Proof would have been better received if it had been played first. But nooooo, don't listen to me, I'm just dumb kid with the talking leech for an avatar. See if I care.

[JunkerSeed]

While it is true that Death Proof should have played before, that wouldn't have made it's dialogue any better. Most of the dialogue in death proof comes close to self parody. Usually I don't mind Tarantino's dialogue but none of the girls in Death Proof were interesting enough characters to listen to for long enough. Of course, I loved Death Proof whenever it picked up the pace, and the ending was great, but I don't need 20 minutes worth of girls telling me to watch the movie Vanishing Point. Now I'm not watching that shit just out of spite. Kurt Russel is great in it, for the whole 10 minutes he's in the movie. Oh, also, Tarantino's cameos suck. I don't even think it's funny to watch him die; it just comes off as annoyingly self-indulgent.

 

Oh yeah, I had the smae problem with the new poll, says I voted but I clearly didn't.

[The NZA]

its cause i found out that adding a poll to an exsiting one doesnt open up the option again once you voted, natch.

 

im with junker, i thought Russel was great and wanted to see more of him. Tarentino's cameo, especially in PT, was just too long for liking but enough was going on that i didnt hold onto it...the girls in DP (heh) did indeed strike me as uninteresting, sadly.

 

at least...the 2nd batch of them.

 

[Reverend Jax]

To all thouse that thought Death Proof was going to be the better movie just cause it was Tarentino and you'd never heard of Rodriguiez before, I fuckind told you so!

[MetalHeart]

Woah woah woah, I know full well who RR is and what he does. I just liked the trailer for DP better. It looked more interesting, and while it was good, it certainly wasn't no PT.

[bishopcruz]

Haven't been happy with Rodruiguez OR Tarantino lately (Sin City and Kill Bill 2 sucked), but I went into this one with high hopes. I was about half happy. Planet Terror was great, it pulled off its gags perfectly, had fun action, great characters, and the old school gore that you just don't see anymore. Definitely worthwhile.

 

Deathproof on the other hand was absolutely awful, outside of the first set of scenes with Kurt Russel, the movie was nothing but a load of self indulgent bullshit. God, I used to love anything that Tarantino did, but this nothing but dialogue bullshit has got to stop. It can work sometimes if the characters are good enough, but it didn't work here. At all. The characters were boring, the directing was at least a good recreation of grindhouse, but on the whole it just seemed that QT was trying just too damn hard to be 'cool', and it failed.

 

Seriously, someone needs to cap Tarantino in the head before he completely sullies his good name as a director, or at least SLAP him when he gets overly pretentious.

 

So, yeah I voted for Planet Terror, but that is only because there wasn't an option for Thanksgiving

[The NZA]

wait wait wait....you didnt like Kill Bill 2 or Sin City? I dont even know how were friends soemtimes.

 

Thought i agree with your summary of Death Proof. It was great with Kurt at the bar i thought, jus tnot as much after that.

 

This "having 2 threas for grindhouse" thing is confusing.

[The NZA]

Also, Jax is crazy. I cant find his review but he seemed to dig Death Proof, and acted like those of us who didnt dont know Tarentino's style.

Yeah, this had all the dialogue and style withou tthe characters you give a fuck about, that was the difference. Its not so self-indulgent or whatever when tahts a factor.

 

Also, the RR-worship is silly. Let's compare these 2 directors.

 

Tarentino:

 

Pulp Fiction

Resevoir Dogs

Jackie Brown (the first film on this list that can be argued as being great)

The good room in "4 Rooms"

Kill Bill 1-2 (fuck bish!)

True Romance (i think he wrote it)

Death Proof, the only weak thing on this list.

 

Rodriguez:

 

Spy Kids (i cant say, ive never had this one recommended to me, but i heard the sequels were shit)

El Mariachi

Four Rooms (one of the better, but Bruce Willis-less rooms)

Desperadoes

From Dusk till Dawn (both sortve overrated, my opinion, but fun)

The Faculty

Once Upon a time in Mexico

Sin City (thank god, we havent had a solid name for a few entries here)

Planet Terror

 

 

Im excited about the other Sin City sequels and possibly Machette as well, but stop acting like he's just as good/consistent a director as Tarentino. You can argue he's your favorite or something, of course, but the consistency is just not there.

[bishopcruz]

I didn't like Sin City because I thought that the direct transfer of the comic to film, just didn't work for film. The acting was solid, the visuals were great, but the pacing was god awful. Shame, I WANTED to like it more than I did, but a lot of it just fell flat.

 

As for Rodruiguez, From Dusk Till Dawn, Deperado, and Planet Terror are by far his best. Once Upon a Time in Mexico was AWFUL though.

 

Kill Bill 2 was OK I suppose, but it didn't have the spark that the first one did, I realize they were trying for a more dramtic western feel for it, but I just felt let down. The climax of the Kill Bill movies was the end of the first one, the second kinda seemed to meander along on autopilot. I mean how much screen time was wasted on Michael Madsen's character that was COMPLETELY pointless? I think Kill Bill would have worked much better as one 3 hour film, reordered, with a ton of cuts being made to part 2.

[The NZA]

Madsen got a raw deal, i liked his bits tho. If i was gonna cut KB2, idve cut that part when the Bride goes to somehwere in south america and talks to bill's friend, i thought that was unecessary. Im one of the few ive talked to who liked 2 more than 1, tho.

 

If you felt that way about Sin City, whered you stand on Hellboy and 300?

[bishopcruz]

Madsen did well with what he was given, I'll give him that. But a lot of his scenes just didn't add anything to the movie. I'll agree with you on the whole south america thing though.

[Iambaytor]

Also, Jax is crazy. I cant find his review but he seemed to dig Death Proof, and acted like those of us who didnt dont know Tarentino's style.

Yeah, this had all the dialogue and style withou tthe characters you give a fuck about, that was the difference. Its not so self-indulgent or whatever when tahts a factor.

 

Also, the RR-worship is silly. Let's compare these 2 directors.

 

Tarentino:

 

Pulp Fiction

Resevoir Dogs

Jackie Brown (the first film on this list that can be argued as being great)

The good room in "4 Rooms"

Kill Bill 1-2 (fuck bish!)

True Romance (i think he wrote it)

Death Proof, the only weak thing on this list.

 

Rodriguez:

 

Spy Kids (i cant say, ive never had this one recommended to me, but i heard the sequels were shit)

El Mariachi

Four Rooms (one of the better, but Bruce Willis-less rooms)

Desperadoes

From Dusk till Dawn (both sortve overrated, my opinion, but fun)

The Faculty

Once Upon a time in Mexico

Sin City (thank god, we havent had a solid name for a few entries here)

Planet Terror

Im excited about the other Sin City sequels and possibly Machette as well, but stop acting like he's just as good/consistent a director as Tarentino. You can argue he's your favorite or something, of course, but the consistency is just not there.

 

Actually Spy Kids was really good for what it was. Yes it was cheesy as hell, you know why? It was a fucking kids movie! So was Shark Boy and Lava Girl in 3-D and the sequels were pretty good as well.

 

The Mexico Trilogy (El Mariachi, Desperado, and Once Upon a Time in Mexico) was so amzing brilliant and stylized and just consistently kept topping themselves with each passing film.

 

From Dusk Till Dawn was directed by Robert Rodriguez but it was written and practically co-directed by Tarantino.

 

The Faculty was directed by Robert Rodriguez but was written by the producer of Scream. I think he turned shit into gold with that one.

 

Sin City of course was brilliant.

 

Kill Bill volume one was fucking horrible. If not for the fact that I had to know the ending I wouln't have even made it to the second one. The two films were like day and night. Granted Kill Bill was twice the Grindhouse film that Death Proof ever was, so was Dusk Till Dawn.

 

Plus Tarantino had a key role in From Dusk Till Dawn parts 2 and 3, that alone is an offense worthy of the gallows.

 

I'm going to go for the unpopular vote and say that Pulp Fiction so did not top Reservoir Dogs. And obviously Jackie Brown didn't but I liked it anyway. Yes Quentin has had more hits than Robert Rodriguez but that does not make him a better director. Quentin writes all his own material, Rodriguez doesn't.

[The NZA]

Manohman am i callin bullshit.

 

Actually Spy Kids was really good for what it was. Yes it was cheesy as hell, you know why? It was a fucking kids movie! So was Shark Boy and Lava Girl in 3-D and the sequels were pretty good as well.

 

Jax wont shut up about Spy Kids. Ive all but avoided it to spite him. It might be great, but youre the first person ive heard that enjoyed the 3D one.

 

The Mexico Trilogy (El Mariachi, Desperado, and Once Upon a Time in Mexico) was so amzing brilliant and stylized and just consistently kept topping themselves with each passing film.

 

...what?!

El Mariachi was good, Desperado was good (salmatitties), Once Upon a Time in Crap was crapitty crap crap crap. That movie was a cinematic abortion and only proved to me to be wary of Rodriguez with a budget.

 

From Dusk Till Dawn was directed by Robert Rodriguez but it was written and practically co-directed by Tarantino.

 

Yeah, i know, and people credit it as one of his best. Not bad, just overrated, but then again if idve gone in not knowing about vamps mebbe idve dug it more?

 

Plus Tarantino had a key role in From Dusk Till Dawn parts 2 and 3, that alone is an offense worthy of the gallows.

 

what "hand" specifically, tho? Produced it? cause ive seen his name on everything from Iron Monkey.

 

I'm going to go for the unpopular vote and say that Pulp Fiction so did not top Reservoir Dogs. And obviously Jackie Brown didn't but I liked it anyway. Yes Quentin has had more hits than Robert Rodriguez but that does not make him a better director. Quentin writes all his own material, Rodriguez doesn't.

 

Not hits as in what sells better, just consistency of films. If this were an argument of writing, there'd be no competition. But directing-wise, its just cool to say RR's better at the moment but i dont think pepole are really thinking the whole thing through. Granted, its opinion here, but cmon.

[Reverend Jax]

As for Rodruiguez, From Dusk Till Dawn, Deperado, and Planet Terror are by far his best. Once Upon a Time in Mexico was AWFUL though.

Your exclusion of El Mariachi and Spy Kids is sad.

 

Nick, it is now Danny (Junker to other folks), myself and Baytor that have said Spy Kids was good. It's got Antonia Banderas, Alan Cumming, Tony Shalhoub, Chhech Marin, Danny Trejo (plays a character named Machete), Teri Hatcher, Robert Patrick, and a short cameo of George Clooney.