Silent Bob Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 -i forget who said this on this thread but i had just read something a little earlier today on wikipedia saying that tim burton's batman was influenced by the killing joke. he even had the script rewritten because he felt the first version was too campy. so nolan's not the only director to have the source material influence the product. Yeah, Burton's been quoted as saying the Killing Joke is his favorite comic book (despite, when insulting Kevin Smith, saying that he won't read comic books) but there's nothing of The Killing Joke in the cartoonish, campy Joker that he put into his movie. The Dark Knight and (yes I'll say it again) Return of the Joker are the closest we've gotten to having that Joker on screen. -i don't buy that dent is dead because they spent a lot of time developing his character and it would be a fucking waste of an amazing villian...they just scratched the tip of the iceberg at the end and then that's it? i don't think so. i think they staged a memorial to cover up his late actions and preserve his image as a beacon of hope for the city while throwing him in arkham or whatnot to be used in future storylines. See, I don't know... I kinda hope that Dent is dead. True, it does seem a waste to only spend the last act of a film with what is arguably Batman's second-best villain, but I think it would be truer to the character if that was his end. I couldn't see this Two Face ever becoming a true city-threatening villain. I think, even at his worst, there was too much good in him ("You think I want to escape from this?" - probably my favorite Eckhart moment in the film). In his mind, Gordon deserved what he was getting but, ultimately, I think that's as far as he would have ever gone. I don't think he ever became a true "agent of chaos" as the Joker hoped, he just wanted to even the odds and make those who were directly responsible for his pain suffer as much as he did. If they really wanted to, they could expand that feeling to include more villainy - after all, where does he draw the line? He could blame the whole city for spawning the Joker in the first place? But I think that stretches the character too much and would harm him. If they want to bring Dent back for another movie, I guess I'd be ok with it, but I hope they bring him back for a chance at redemption, not as an out-and-out villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Yeah, Burton's been quoted as saying the Killing Joke is his favorite comic book (despite, when insulting Kevin Smith, saying that he won't read comic books) but there's nothing of The Killing Joke in the cartoonish, campy Joker that he put into his movie. The Dark Knight and (yes I'll say it again) Return of the Joker are the closest we've gotten to having that Joker on screen. yeah, he was saying he can't read the panels in order or something so he hated comics. excuses, excuses. in batman, if the campy joker is toned down from the original campier script like burton says it was, then jesus christ. i guess it was a more fitting joker for an 80s movie with a prince soundtrack and jack attack. i can't see heath's joker fitting well in burton's batman and vice versa. i think it was smart for nolan not to include any backstory for the joker in this one too. it makes him that much scarier because there doesn't seem to be a clear descent into his current state. now that you guys are talking about hamill's joker, i want to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aartemys Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 -yes, heath was fucking awesome. however, instead of feeling awesome after the movie, i was depressed the whole fucking day knowing that there would never be another joker performance from him. i guess if his last fully-completed movie had been brokeback or whatnot, it'd feel like there was closure because the characters were fully explored and the story was essentially self-contained versus this being an ongoing story where he could and most likely would be seen again in future installments, especially given the popularity of the character. LL, I felt the same way. I saw so much potential. A bit heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 definitely heartbreaking. i guess he'll at least be in dr. parnassus (for the most part). but still, he owned this character. i guess having him as the joker at least once is far better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) now that you guys are talking about hamill's joker, i want to see it. It's an awesome movie. Melissa Joan Hart plays twin clown hench-girls. I'll bring it by next time I come over. Edited July 28, 2008 by Reverend Jax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tell me you have the uncut version. Only show the uncut version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tell me you have the uncut version. Only show the uncut version. Less Gassing, more Harpooning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Review That being said: Thank fucking God Rachel Dawes is dead. Maggie Gyllenhal was horrible and the character itself was entirely unneccesary. If they're going to bring in a Batman love interest bring in Talia Al Ghul, she'd fit fairly well for the 3rd movie anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tell me you have the uncut version. Only show the uncut version. Man, I bought the first cut when it came out. What, am I supposed to own two DVD of it for basically one scene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 I wanna be Gary Oldman's best friend, you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Man, I wouldn't want to be. You'll either end up with half a face, attacked by dementors or chased by EV-ERY-ONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeart Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 hahahah Trufax. But seriously though... this man. Wow. He needs more recognition for his shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aartemys Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I wanna be Gary Oldman's best friend, you guys. <sigh> I've had a crush on him since I can remember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) Man, I bought the first cut when it came out. What, am I supposed to own two DVD of it for basically one scene? Three scenes and two conversations, and the edits pretty much castrated the feel of the movie. Edited July 29, 2008 by Drifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) <sigh> I've had a crush on him since I can remember... Hmm... just sayin... Edited July 29, 2008 by Iambaytor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Review That being said: Thank fucking God Rachel Dawes is dead. Maggie Gyllenhal was horrible and the character itself was entirely unneccesary. If they're going to bring in a Batman love interest bring in Talia Al Ghul, she'd fit fairly well for the 3rd movie anyhow. In Begins she was terrible, but in DK she served a grand purpose and excelled at it. Gylenhal was a lot more charismatic than Holmes' country mouse in the big city(or at least as she portrayed it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 +1 if anyone wants to band up & see this again in imax. also, there was a cool documentary on psychoanalyzing bats & his villains recently, you can get it over here, worth checking out. only minor clip spoilers if you somehow havent yet seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 +1 for Imax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Wish we had an imax screen here! Nearest one to us is in England, the one in Belfast is closed!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Kaniggit Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 (edited) And now for your viewing pleasure The Dark Knight interrogation scene between the Joker and Batman. Well the same scene from another perspective... Edited August 7, 2008 by Dark Kaniggit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aartemys Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Ha! Hit the nail right on the head...I'm still chuckling over here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 i get to see this today. Woo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I honestly dunno whether i like it or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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