Lorelei Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 well, pretty straightforward. finally we've got an official jazz thread. so, what jazz do you like? it's ok if you don't know what sub-genre or era it is, just list a few artists or whatever. a few beginner jazz albums to get the thread rolling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 As far as Jazz goes, I'm all about the Bebop and Hard Bop. Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk and Charlie Parker, mostly (I know that's the trifecta of Bebop 101, but I'm not a Jazz aficionado). Cool Jazz bores me and Miles' avant garde stuff (Bitches Brew) is too out there for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 yes cool jazz is boring, don't expect you to be able to handle avant-garde/fusion stuff i think what you have to understand is that miles has such a large catalogue. from the 40s all the way to the 90s. jazz-funk, bop, cool, fusion, hard bop, modal, jazz-rock, post-bop. bitches brew was recorded in '69, and what makes miles so great is that he took jazz to new levels others didn't, he pushed the genre forward. from the late 60s throughout the 70s we had a lot of jazz fusion, funk and jazz-rock stuff, but if you stick around in the 50s and 60s you'll find stuff that you seem to enjoy of course, in 1959 to end off the 50s we have the best jazz record ever recorded, "kind of blue" this was a time when Davis showed what a composer he really was. this is the cornerstone of any jazz collection. just look at the lineup of coltrane, bill evans, cannonball adderley, paul chambers, and jim cobb. the finest band is jazz history, playing at the peak of its power. this is what i mean by modal jazz, it's very improvised music (miles just let the tape roll), it can be played in the background, yet it also rewards close listening. it's quite a mysterious record because it never really flaunts its genius. pretty much, if you don't like this record, you don't like jazz. listen to this record and it'll blow monk, parker, and gillespie away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Oh, Lor. always with your intro Jazz. Cool Jazz bores me cool jazz > prog rock. i said it. sen's taking a jazz appreciation class this semester, same one opened me up past marsalis, into shit like the bebop shit jazz referenced and crazier things like Roach. Took to Art Blakey (Ugetsu's also good intro i think), Corea works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 yeah i got déjà vu i knew i'd banged on about jazz here before, then realised i didn't have a thread max roach best jazz drummer ever. died around this time last year. Percussion Bitter Sweet is crazy, great avant-garde record always say to people when it comes to jazz, "start with kind of blue" but if i'm feeling mean then i get them to start with this. i know you dig trane nza but seriously trane + 4 other saxs, 2 trumpets, 2 bass, drums and piano battling each other. 'jazz' is such a broad term though, from vocal jazz, to cool, to free. such a forgotten genre it's a shame people don't listen to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 that album's insane from what little i heard of it. didnt know Roach died so recently, that's sad. and yeah, gonna go find that album you mentioned. but you're right, its a huge umbrella term. you get sub-genres of free, cool, chicago style, ragtime, and then vocalists from ella up to about harry connick jr. sinatra gets the dub a lot of times, though i tend to think he's more pop than anything, which isnt entirely fair considering dude played with Count Basie and a lot of talented bands. Blues is the same way, was thinking that today when itunes was telling me that Amy Winehouse was blues, hadnt even thought of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 most insane jazz i've heard (that's enjoyable) is the stuff a bloke called john zorn churns out. shit is off the wall. take a barmy jewish sax player like zorn, and throw him in a band with grindcore guitars and some japanese nutter that makes noiserock music screaming his head off, and you've got Naked City, one of his projects. but he's done so much other stuff, you know? worked with mike patton (which i've name dropped round here before), does jewish and east asian bar music, etc. i think PBS is his magnum opus frank sinatra is considered vocal jazz, swing, and traditional pop. again people instantly think of "come fly with me" and have no clue about albums like "in the wee small hours" which has a completely opposite mood yes people have mentioned that about whorehouse and seem to have taken offence to it. she's even been dubbed as soul genres are crazy, especially in rock. like i said it's a shame that jazz doesn't get the respect that it deserves considering it's as broad a genre as rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 No jazz musician stands as untouchable in their respective instrument as Buddy Rich with his drums: He makes Keith Moon look like a metronome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 cool jazz > prog rock. i said it. You sir are dead to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 miles davis - kind of blue john coltrane - a love supreme john coltrane - giant steps john coltrane - blue train john coltrane - ascension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 threads like this make me miss loreli. so yeah, i think a few of you kids have cool jazz as some kind of euphemism for kenny G, which is a shame, because the default albums lor put up first - Kind of Blue, Love Supreme etc - i mean damn, kid said it better than i could've: of course, in 1959 to end off the 50s we have the best jazz record ever recorded, "kind of blue" this was a time when Davis showed what a composer he really was. this is the cornerstone of any jazz collection. just look at the lineup of coltrane, bill evans, cannonball adderley, paul chambers, and jim cobb. the finest band is jazz history, playing at the peak of its power. this is what i mean by modal jazz, it's very improvised music (miles just let the tape roll), it can be played in the background, yet it also rewards close listening. it's quite a mysterious record because it never really flaunts its genius. pretty much, if you don't like this record, you don't like jazz. listen to this record and it'll blow monk, parker, and gillespie away that said, if any jazz afficionados come across this: ive been on Art Blakey's "Ugetsu" for a while now, and would love to hear some shit like that. ive checked out Pat Metheny and a few others i heard namedropped, nothing i dug on that level quite yet though, and im very much open to suggestion here. heh, its funny to see 2008 jax make statements about artists like 2002 jax would've, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Looks like we've got ourselves a couple of Li'l Lisas. There's this Drew Friedman strip about Buddy Rich that I wish I could find. Basically, it's just about what a cunt he is, and he treats his band like shit. And then he dies, and every day for a week the same person calls his house, asks for Buddy. His wife says "No, Buddy died" eventually, she says something like "You called yesterday! You know he died!" and the guy says "Yeah, I just never get tired of hearing it" Buddy Rich was the Hellhammer of the 50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Nice bump, hep cat. I was wondering which thread to post this in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9CYDt99tA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 ...you know it's a good track when i wanna put on a fedora and go investigate some shit on a rainy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Hakujin Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Awesome Jazz documentary shot in 1958. The crowd shots are great as well. Louis Armstrong comes in as the closer, of course, around minute 59. <img style="visibility:hidden;width:0px;height:0px;" border=0 width=0 height=0 src="http://c.gigcount.com/wildfire/IMP/CXNID=2000002.0NXC/bT*xJmx*PTEzMDk*MjI3NTI*NjgmcHQ9MTMwOTQyNDY5OTY3MSZwPTEwNjExOTImZD1mLTcwMy1qYXp6X29uX2Ffc3UmZz*xJm89/ MmMzZThkOTY3MDBkNDZiMzljODFmZjNlZDY2YTI3NmEmb2Y9MA==.gif" /><object width="300" height="255" data="http://o.snagfilms.com/film.swf"'>http://o.snagfilms.com/film.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" id="f-703"><param name="allowNetworking" value="all" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://o.snagfilms.com/film.swf" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="flashvars" value="id=703&cid=f-703-jazz_on_a_su" /></object><a style="display:block;width:300px;text-align:center;font-family:Arial;font-size:11px;line- height:30px;color:#008cb9;text-decoration:none;" onMouseOver='this.style.textDecoration="underline"' onMouseOut='this.style.textDecoration="none"' href="http://www.snagfilms.com/" target="_blank">Watch more free documentaries</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 since logan just put up a great gift idea in comics, id wanted to share one i saw over here: Import 25 CD boxset containing 25 of the finest Jazz albums ever released. Each album is packaged in a card wallet, and the box set includes a 40 page booklet in both English and French. Classic albums included are Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue, Dave Brubeck's Time Out, Billie Holiday's Lady In Satin, Nina Simone's Sings The Blues, Erroll Garner's Concert By The Sea, Charlie Parker's Bird and many more! Sony. 2010. that's an amazing lineup, and it's $40 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Lisa Simpson approves. That's an unbelievable price, if you're into that sort of thing. What a great way to introduce someone who's just recently starting dabbling in the genre. I'm told I'm supposed to like jazz, in order to be a proper hipster and continue being invited to parties, but I just can't get into anything past 1928 bluegrass. After that it got too mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 goddammit, logans. i really am gonna hijack this thread and make it i heart jazz later when ive got stuff to share, but jax would point out, i like cool jazz, and basically shit that makes me feel like my life is a noir film when it's raining. he digs bebop which is also fantastic and has a lotta greats fucking with it, whilst i recall hakus pimping his hometown's ragtime stuff. i can put up samples that i learned from a 19 hour jazz fusion docu i watched to get in touch with the common man, you fuck but you might be familiar already...point is, if you do wanna get into something, lemme know, i wanna use these threads for that very purpose; i love finding stuff others might enjoy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelogan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 According to his FB, Haku likes NPR Jazz. I really wish I could comment directly on that "like". Hypocritical fuck calls me pretentious for finding enjoyment in any movie that doesn't have giant robots murdering each other. I blame the '80's for ruining brass instruments for me. There was this weird 50's nostalgia thing going on, and everyone was trying to "erase the colorlines" and it was all edgy to force them in to every song. It was The Dark Age of David Bowie, and he's never really recovered (imho). Maybe it would be my favorite thing EVAR, but I've never been bored enough to actually try to listen to it. I do, however, really enjoy a lot of incredibly old blues and folk music. It has a lot of passion and emotion for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 i'll bowie you, you bored motherfucker for real though, if you're ever inclined, ill put together a mixtape or just post youtube/stream tracks on this page to try stuff out on you & see what you like. your track's nice too, i'm only hesitant on it here 'cause between you, me, jumbie & ASC, we could totally do a i ♥ blues thread that everyone (mostly me, anyway) would learn some quality shit from. one of my favorites, likely cause i remember it being played during the "homily" at the church of st. John Coltrane years back. so good, and yet another reason why naysayers like jax should be stoned for blasphemy labeling miles/coltrane's work as only "cool jazz". avant-garde, post-bop 4LYFE - i'm realizing a lot of my favorite stuff classifies as "modal jazz" because it "uses musical modes rather than chord progression as a harmonic framework." i wish i knew what that meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Modern jazz STUFF. They won best jazz album in 02. electronicy too. experimental jazz band from Norway that rose to prominence when the BBC named their first album, A Livingroom Hush (Smalltown Supersound/Ninja Tune), the best jazz album of 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 ^nice, gonna check that out, thanks man. on another board, i was pointed out that (prior post) my tastes are towards modal jazz, and that i should check out Wayne Shorter, who i think ive heard on stuff with Miles (and wiki says Art Blakey too), you know any of his stuff that you can recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Get Speak No Evil by Wayne Shorter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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