Punch-Out!! Wii

[The NZA]

 

ok, so some good announcements at the nintendo show recently - Sin & Punishment 2, using SD cards to move/keep Virtual Console & wiiware games, etc - but the best of all (for me) was the coming of the Wii Punch-Out!! game, which from the newly-posted trailer below, looks and sounds like a lotta fun. This one's been a no-brainer since Wii boxing, so happy to see something on it - more as it comes.

 

Punch-Out!! Wii 'Debut' trailer

 

that better be lil mac

[Jables]

Wii boxing is okay, but whether both consoles I've had are retarded or whatever, it fails to read the punches I throw so while I'm a good one-armed bandit, the nunchuk arm just kind moves it's own way and I guide it as best I can.

[The NZA]

also true, some of those body blows id throw felt like a suggestion, and i could never pass the one really specific training mode of precise hitting. im hoping this uses that motion plus addon they talked about, with a 1:1 control ratio, or at least gives the option of using gamecube/classic controller like mario kart & smash bros did.

[Reverend Jax]

Looks good, I just hope you can control Little Mac with Donkey Kongas. Oh, wait, no I don't. I don't hope that at all.

[The NZA]

that experience was magical, dont taint it

 

ok, so according to another interview, its gonna be wii motion controls only. i really hope this is one of the ones to incorporate wii motion plus, no reason not to since it's in-house. I know this'll be a hit with casuals, i just think with more solid controls than i had in wii boxing, it'd make a big difference to us hardcore as well.

[Acalis]

 

that better be lil mac

Is it me, or does Li'l Mac look black in his profile shot next to his energy meter?

[Newtype]

that experience was magical, dont taint it

 

ok, so according to another interview, its gonna be wii motion controls only.

 

And with that said Nintendo can go fuck themselfs.

[The NZA]

aw, cmon now - if the Conduit is supposed to use Motion Plus, i cant see why this wont. if controls were 1:1, we'd not have much to bitch about.

[Newtype]

aw, cmon now - if the Conduit is supposed to use Motion Plus, i cant see why this wont. if controls were 1:1, we'd not have much to bitch about.

 

Don't care.

 

It's still wii motion controls.

[Acalis]

Don't care.

 

It's still wii motion controls.

I'm with Newtype, if it won't have the option to use the classic controller, then they've lost me. Call me old school if you will, but I still prefer a nice controller over some confusing Wii controller anyday!

[Reverend Jax]

The both of you sounds like lazy grumpy old men.

[The NZA]

heh, i find the "confusing wii controller" comment ironic.

[Jables]

heh, i find the "confusing wii controller" comment ironic.

 

Ironic isn't the word I'd use, but certainly in my profane attempts it'd what I was striking for.

[Acalis]

My opinion is, if you make a system and want it to be compatible with fancy controls and/or other devices & peripherals, then more power to you. Reminds me of the NES days with those peripherals such as the Zapper gun, the power pad, the U-Force, and other similar ones. The Wii nunchuks are innovative and add a whole new perspective on game play, but if you want to appeal especially to old-school gamers such as myself, and even-more-famous people like the Angry Video Game Nerd for example, then you should continue to incorporate the option of playing with a standard controller if you want to. To make a game that REQUIRES a fancy peripheral, especially when its predecessor game did not is just bad planning in my opinion. You wanna play Punch Out! with a Wii nunchuk then more power to ya, but let us play with a classic controller if we want to as well!

[The NZA]

well, ironic in that the whole idea/marketing is that its supposed to be more intuitive, and when done right, i think it is. i may be tired of games making me reach forward & turn my arm to unlock doors, but again, an accurate boxing game like this - if done right - could be a lot of fun.

 

for me, its confusing when you take games like Zelda and incorporate the nunchuck & all the buttons. i counted them the other day; there's almost as many buttons/triggers on a wiimote & nunchuk as there are on a standard xbox/ps3 controller. i get the complaints though, everyone's got their preferences.

 

acal: thats also a valid complaint but you gotta recognize programming; mario kart'd let you use your old controller, but it wouldnt work as well with it as it would with the wheel. if the devs say this one requires a wiimote to play right, i understand if their vision wouldnt work without it, there's some wii games that wouldnt play well with standard controls.

[Acalis]

acal: thats also a valid complaint but you gotta recognize programming; mario kart'd let you use your old controller, but it wouldnt work as well with it as it would with the wheel. if the devs say this one requires a wiimote to play right, i understand if their vision wouldnt work without it, there's some wii games that wouldnt play well with standard controls.

And that my friend is how you lose potential customers to other systems like PS3 and XBox 360. Although I can't imagine why anyone would wanna buy the latter with all the problems I keep reading and hearing about. You never hear anything like the "Red Ring of Death" on PS2/3 or Wii.

[The NZA]

its easy to say, but theyre not losing much, really. if the game turns out fun, instead of a nearly 20 year old rehash, but the hardcore (myself, your angry nerd etc) will dig it, and more importantly to them, the blue ocean strategy of the tons of casual gamers will love it, too. they did it with mario kart and mario sunshine, theyre gonna try to do it again here. the developers are gonna build an experience around their hardware, not something that could be played anywhere else.

 

i know what youre (and newt) are saying, and again, i respect preferences, but im gonna wait to see how the final product plays before i fuss, personally. if you played wii boxing on the wii sports disc, youd see this could be pretty fun if done right.

[Acalis]

i know what youre (and newt) are saying, and again, i respect preferences, but im gonna wait to see how the final product plays before i fuss, personally. if you played wii boxing on the wii sports disc, youd see this could be pretty fun if done right.

True I see your point. I always worry about those Wii things. Though I only played with them once or twice, I'm always scared I will get so into the game that it might slip off my hand and fly out and break something (which I am not surprised has happened a lot of times)

[Jables]

Yeah, 1st party things like this which utilise the tech(in this instance wiimote and nunchuk) will generally shine though, and as you were saying before Nick, and Acal, Nintendo loses out big time on 3rd party titles because I'll be fucked if I'ma dance around my fucking loungeroom to play a game I could just as easily use a 360 control for.

[the division of joy]

I just think its funny that a good game comes along that utilizes what makes the wii fun, and people bitch about it.

[Newtype]

I just think its funny that a good game comes along that utilizes what makes the wii fun, and people bitch about it.

 

It's more about Nintendo forcing you to use the wii motion. I want to be able to pick on how I play.

[Jables]

You're right Newt. I'ma email those oppresive cunts at Microsoft because I can't play Fight Night with a spatula. God forbid they expect you to use the control they made for the damned system! Best marketting thingie Nintendo ever did was allow use of GC controls, but christ it's opened a can of worms.

[Acalis]

It's more about Nintendo forcing you to use the wii motion. I want to be able to pick on how I play.

I totally agree. The extra peripherals are a nice touch if you wanna add a different element of game play. Granted there are some games that don't make sense using a classic controller (like Dance Dance Revolution and the like), but for the basic games, the classic controller option should be exercised, especially if their previous predecessors used classic controllers as well (as is the case of Punch Out!)

[The NZA]

1) there hasnt been a punch-out game in like 10 years, but both the previous iterations are available on Virtual Console and emulators of your choice.

2) nintendo designed the wii to utilize motion control. its not a new concept - theyve been trying since the power glove - but that's the point of this system. this isnt a periphrial; its the system's controller.

3) this attempt worked, huge: they went from a small company with diminishing home console sales to a powerhouse industry leader by trying to appeal to both gamers and largely non-gamers with intuitive, easy controls. again, if youve played Wii Boxing, you know where they're going with this.

4) the developers of this title - who presumably know far more about it than us - say it wouldnt work with classic controls, as its designed for motion controls, built around the system's architecture. its an all-new chapter that's looking to please a lot of crowds, and speaking for the hardcore here, if it uses wii motion plus (said to be perfect motion following), it could be not only a lot of fun, but the natural evolution for the series, especially on this system.

5) we dont know a great deal about it just yet, so reserving judgment might be good too.

 

seriously, i know nintendo's not doing a shit-ton for the hardcore right now (*looks at Wii Music*), but announcements like this are nothing but good. and you guys are crapping on it for not basically re-releasing a 20 year old title. that kind of stunted mentality, to me, is kinda why series like Zelda are looking more stale these days - you try something new (Wind Waker, the DS one, etc) people fuss about any kind of change, so instead we just get the same game again.

[Reverend Jax]

It's more about Nintendo forcing you to use the wii motion. I want to be able to pick on how I play.

Why Nintendo? Why have you built slave-camps where you force innocent abducted gamers to play games using Wii Motion, only to face excruciating pain at the hands of their robot slave-guard should they protest?

 

I personally object to a classic button mashing control scheme being an option at all. A boxing game would have to be set up completely differently as far as difficulty. For one, Mac used to get tired if you punched too fast. With 1-to-1 controls, I would suspect this will go. You are only limited by your own physical endurance. I don't want to play against or compare my achievement in this game to a button masher. As Nick said, if you want to mash buttons, old Punch-Out games are available, much cheaper, on Virtual Console.

 

Acalis made the point that Dance Dance Revolution doesn't make sense on a controller, but it can be played on a computer with a keyboard. I knew a gamer that got into Dance Dance Revolution and it was the ONLY physical activity he ever did. He downloaded a pirate version for his PC and got a PS2 to USB adapter so he could play more challenging songs off every DDR game ever made, and even chart his own songs to imported mp3. Once he saw he could play with the keyboard arrow keys, he would literally play for hours on the keyboard. Saddest motherfucking thing I ever saw.

 

That story was besides the point, but my point is, it's a boxing game that people are complaining it can't be made LESS realistic. I don't remember anyone ever complaining that a new FPS couldn't be playing in Wolfenstein 3D graphics mode. That is not what Wii-buyers signed up for. It's like me complaining about all the X-Box 360 games that are sold on discs instead of on SNES cartridges. "What? My X360 doesn't have games available in cartridge format? This is an outrage! This is not what I signed up for!" Accept it is, just like motion controlled games are what you signed up for if you bought the Wii.