archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) no, but it does operate under decency rules and TOS agreements. You're looking at an analogy literally, Sig. that's ridiculous. Edited February 13, 2009 by archangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 with the broadness of the internet, porn, vulgarity, NSFW, cursing, insane stunts, crimes, inaccuracies, drama whoring... expecting anything less is ridiculous. if you notice, I havent posted any more naked women in shoutbox since, I am not one to get you in trouble at work... I do have class, decency, respect... I just argue that I should be able to post whatever I want in shoutbox. I shouldnt have to redirect what I want to do bc you are at work... but I do redirect what I 'could' do, bc you are at work. Take my debate vs my doing seperately. I respect peoples want need and desire to have a job, and they arent gonna lose it bc of me... even though it isnt my responsibility, it is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmithx Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 ok first off sig does have a point, as of right now there are no rules written in stone so he can do what he wants, however the point of this was that people should have some respect and not do it in shoutbox. now if rules are made up then at that point they have to be followed, the good and bad of hondos is that so few rules are put down so it's really one giant grey area.... maybe we just need some guidelines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You're right, but we're talking about the creation of Rules here and the arguments as to the why. I'm arguing, considering the structure of this place and how we all handle content, the fact that a NSFW thread exists and that the labels exist for the express purpose of warning people ahead of time of the questionable content lends credence to my argument that such common areas, by default, tend to favor neutral content. We're also talking about common courtesy, and as his and DoJ's actions illustrate, common courtesy demands that such material not be posted front and center, without warning or mechanism of shielding, for all the reasons previously expressed. Hence why i started this all as a question to our Captain as to what the guidelines are, if any, and if we should have them explained and penned for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You are taking the analogy too literally, I'm making the case that you're saying you should be perfectly allowed to do whatever the fuck you want and people should have to avert their eyes when you do it which is kinda prickish. And the argument of "it's the internet" is weak at best because the people who do most of the things your describing on the internet are usually assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) was that to me Baytor? If so... I posted the nudie pics when Sir Ross and I were joking around, and it was 1 event. I dont set out to post porn gif's in the shoutbox bc I have a fetish for jacking peoples jobs. It was a one time thing that was meant as a joke, and with the fact that Hondos has always been a totally free open forum, there wasnt any harm to be seen in doing it... at the time. Arch piped up about being at work, and I (think Ross did too) stopped. I only argue that it isnt my problem that you are at work. Close the shit out and be responsible for yourself. Sure there is a NSFW thread, and whos to say shoutbox cant be NSFW? We all have our opinions as to what is right and wrong. The argument that 'its the internet' isnt weak... IT IS THE INTERNET. You can find how to make napalm on the net... which is worse that a person like you or I naked. Calling someone an asshole bc they 'can' do something on the internet that you dont particularly like, is kinda asshole'ish. And no baytor, I dont think you are an asshole, I rather like you. I think the misconception here is that people think Ross and I are out to do this... we arent. I am only arguing for an ideal, not just so I can post naked gifs in the shoutbox. if what you said wasnt directed to me... then uh carry on good sir! Edited February 13, 2009 by Signal08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmithx Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Sig, the fact you can find how to make nalpam on the net has nothing to do with this, and yes if you post something in a place where it can get people in trouble simply because you can or to prove an ideal then yeah your a dick on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Close the shit out and be responsible for yourself. this continues to be your meme even though we pointed out that, even if we tried to be responsible, the only thing we could do to not expose ourselves would be to NOT USE HONDO'S, Sig. Closing the box doesn't work. Sure there is a NSFW thread, and whos to say shoutbox cant be NSFW? defeats the purpose, as I articulated above. But again, that's why we're having this debate (to which Nick hasn't weighed in, mind you) The argument that 'its the internet' isnt weak... IT IS THE INTERNET. You can find how to make napalm on the net... which is worse that a person like you or I naked. sure, and watch as our site suddenly becomes monitored by the feds and we all get put on a watchlist. all those things can happen, and we can easily be shut down for them. Again: using 'it's the internet' as an argument is a weak argument because it's a logical fallacy. it's like saying 'because I said so'. Calling someone an asshole bc they 'can' do something on the internet that you dont particularly like, is kinda asshole'ish. I am legally able to walk up to the President of the United States and call him every profanity in the world in every language ever created. that's my God-given right. But it would make me an asshole to do that, Sig. Your argument doesn't work. I think the misconception here is that people think Ross and I are out to do this... we arent. I am only arguing for an ideal, not just so I can post naked gifs in the shoutbox. There are ideals and then there's reality. The reason people like Jay virtually switched was because sometimes the golden rule doesn't work and real rules are required. Again: look at the Signature problems we had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think Nick has weighed in, from what I can tell, hes for making the shoutbox G rated for all of the little children of the world. I am not up in arms that its prolly gonna be what happens. I am merely debating that it shouldnt. We argue that the whole closing out the shoutbox isnt realistic bc from computer to computer blah blah... its code. Why dont we code it that you have to click it to open it? Or does that just solve all of the problems and we arent wanting to go through the hassel of doing it. That is the debate. I think calling someone an asshole bc of ideals is very wrong. Someone is an asshole because they are a purposeful dick trying to , in this case, get you fired while at work. I dont think anyone here has posted a nudie since you brought it up. So in fact, everyone here has been the opposite of an asshole, and been quite respectful to your wishes. I am just pulling an Arch, and arguing the unpopular point. Everyone is on your side for once Arch, and I am taking your role... that is all. I havent been a dick/arsehole/cunt or anything else. Just debating POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDownBelow Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Sig, would you put up a poster of a Hustler centerfold on your living room wall? We know you can. Its your house. But would you. Prolly not. Because, it's a common area. I don't think you want your mother to see that. You could, I suppose, put up a screen that funnels people to the kitchen, but why? That's more hassle than it's worth. Kind of the same concept here. The shoutbox is like the living room. Just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. Edited February 13, 2009 by FireDownBelow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think Nick has weighed in, from what I can tell, hes for making the shoutbox G rated for all of the little children of the world. I am not up in arms that its prolly gonna be what happens. I am merely debating that it shouldnt. by insulting those you disagree with? And you call them children? Really? Why dont we code it that you have to click it to open it? Or does that just solve all of the problems and we arent wanting to go through the hassel of doing it. That is the debate. that's an option. I don't know if it's possible, but it's a good, viable solution if it's available. But until now, that hasn't been proposed and we've been debating Shoutbox on the merits as it currently exists. I think calling someone an asshole bc of ideals is very wrong. If my ideals are that I can walk up to the POTUS and call him a dirty nigger, that still makes me an asshole, Sig. So in fact, everyone here has been the opposite of an asshole, and been quite respectful to your wishes. I am just pulling an Arch, and arguing the unpopular point. Everyone is on your side for once Arch, and I am taking your role... that is all. I havent been a dick/arsehole/cunt or anything else. Just debating POV. lol yes, you are...though I think we're pretty evenly split here, Sig. I have Baytor, Bishop, FDB and Gunsmith. You have ASC, Jay, Jumbie, and you. No one else has really weighed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 by insulting those you disagree with? And you call them children? Really? I should have known the audience... Joel, that is a song that we christian schoolers sang in chapel every wednesday... jesus loves all of the little children of the world... the focus was the G rated part. Nowhere anywhere anytime was I meaning anyone here as a child, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 dammit Joel, if you think im an arsehole when why dont you just say it! sorry... wasnt ready for that fair enough ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) How this argument should have gone under normal pretences: Arch: Hey man, Ross is putting NSFW stuff on the hollabox and I can't surf at work with that stuff on there! DoJ: Not my problem Nick: Be nice Panch and/or Sig: You're a whiny bitch Arch, we can post whatever we want Jax: blooby blooby arch is a pig, i hate you for existing blah blah blooby Arch: No Seriously, I can get in trouble DoJ: Ok, I'll stop then if that's the case and keep it to where it is designated to be placed for those exact reasons anyway, problem solved. Panch and/or Sig: Ok, as long as DoJ, the root of the problem, is stopping then there's no more problem and we will all agree. Arch: Thanks! It's so nice when we all agree, yes. I love Hondo's for it not taking 3 weeks and 467 pointless, winded posts to come to this conclusion in the end anyway. The end. Edited February 13, 2009 by SpunkyMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 your version doesnt set up for a major motion picture, the realistic version equated to an epic drama, and at least a nom for best picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Your version also messes with my post count, sir. UNACCEPTABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) You could just as easily put up your post count posting one or two sentences per post... as opposed to 9 1/2 paragraphs Also, why is it the forum says 66 posts, yet your says #67 Edited February 13, 2009 by SpunkyMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 because it only counts responses, not the original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 oh, ok, makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 so, err, Nick...what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 either A) the shoutbox is censored and people will be outraged and leave, voyeur like hell, then return or B) Nothing is done about it and someone will find it outrageous and decide to leave, voyeur like hell, then return. I'm just following past trends here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think what is gonna happen has already happened... noone is gonna post NSFW gifs in the shoutbox... hasnt happened since. The last however many pages after page 1... was just debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) actually, yeah... without my snark, unnecessarily sarcastic remarks at play here, I'd have to really say that nothing's going to change other than people being a bit more careful at what they post in common areas ...and possibly to avoid another 5 long page debate. Edited February 13, 2009 by SpunkyMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 ...and possibly to avoid another 5 long page debate. any why would we want to avoid a thing like that? TNT knows drama... as does Hondos Bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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