Iambaytor Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) No If for example there was a thread about Sarah Palin, and I found a funny photoshopped pic of her naked, then i'm posting it there. I'm not starting a new thread with a nsfw icon and then linking this new thread to the old one. That's bullshit. Now to quote Nick Or you could just not be a dick and post it in blargh so none of us have it load up as the boss walks by and get our stupid asses put on probation... Ah, I enjoy these threads. They're always a good reminder that common decency applies everywhere except the internet. Edited February 15, 2009 by Iambaytor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I dont think anyone is trying to be a douche bag though Baytor. I think this is more of a "why is this a problem now?" Respectfully, I havent posted anything NSFW in a non-NSFW thread since all of this went down. I think everyone is attentative to the situation. It is just that those who arent 100% jiggy with just not posting NSFW stuff are talking it out... to any hondonians defense, I dont think anyone is lacking common courtesy at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Or you could just not be a dick and post it in blargh so none of us have it load up as the boss walks by and get our stupid asses put on probation... Ah, I enjoy these threads. They're always a good reminder that common decency applies everywhere except the internet. Look, Up until August of '08 i used hondo's on a pc in the kitchen which my mother nearly always frequented. So I was in a very similar situation to ye guys in work. If she was in the room i'd enter thread's at my own risk and if anything loaded up i didn't want her to see i'd quickly click back. This made hondo's viewing quite difficult, so y'know what I did about it? Fuck all. Because who am I to ask people to only post nsfw stuff in the designated area's. I could post on hondo's at work, but I don't because i don't want to take the chance and would never have dared or had the audacity to ask other people to post around my work schedule. Decency goes both ways baytor Edited February 15, 2009 by alive she cried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Ok. I am gonna piss someone off, but you know what, you are just a snively bitch. Hondosbar.com/forum is just that, an internet forum. The internet is a monster of a creation and anything is possible on the internet. Your 'right' to be on the internet isnt a right at all. It is a privelage. That is why some sites are pay sites, some are blocked to private members, and so on. Noone has the 'right' to be here, they have the priv to be here. Logging into Hondosbar doesnt promise, guaruntee, makes notions to, declare... ANYTHING. If you want to come onto this or any other website, you are making the decission to do so. YOU are not Hondosbar, YOU are a collective part of it. YOU have no internet rights whatsoever. Respectfully speaking, I think everyone has cooled their jets out of respect. Speaks major volumes, and yet some people are still being cocks about it. If you cant come to an issue, and speak on it respectfully, then you shouldnt be allowed to open your mouth on the issue at all. Ross and I posted some gifs that were NSFW, but at the moment, it wasnt an issue. Many of us have posted nasty pics, nude pics, close to nude pics, crass pics, gory pics, funny yet wrong pics, propaganda pics, spoof pics, and even possibly decriminilizing pics. With that said, just going the flow with hondos, it was just another day. Joel piped up about being at work, and the nude gifs stopped in shoutbox. That seems like clear respect to me. Because the shoutbox comes up at the top of the site upon logging in as a member, it was the respectful thing to do (stopping) until a solution was placed into action. Now, other than my using his name a second ago, I'm not going to speak for Ross, bc frankly dont think he wants me to. I dont post these gifs bc im getting my rocks off, or bc im trying to get Joel in trouble at work (hell im at work when I am on here most of the time), and im not posting them to 'piss' people off. They are funny, satricle, off the wall, weird, and depending on the gif, cool. I am only on here discussing the whys and why nots, not imposing nor bashing about them, unlike a few of you. You can disgree all you want, but to imply rude or disrespectful things is out of line. Those here discussing the issues are doing just that. Noone on here has crossed the line since the red flag was raised, how much more respectful are you wanting anyone to get? You dont have the right, just the privelage, and the ones being disrespectful or rude about it are seemingly the ones demanding respect or courtesy. ============================ REASON FOR EDIT: holy shit typo mindfield ============================ Edited February 15, 2009 by Signal08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 that deserves a pulitzer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Uh, sig. That kinda summed what i wanted to say up entirely. Except i'd probably lose all patience with saying that and tell everyone to fuck off. As i said earlier, yes, i was out of line with the gifs, hence why sig started a gif thread afterwards so we could keep it all in there. But what i did wasn't meant as malicious it was just getting caught up in the moment of fun is all. And feck it, i got two fhd's out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 And that's fine, but if it's no big deal then why in the name of hell do you insist on fighting it. Do you really forsee a time in the future where we're going to be discussing how global warming has melted the polar ices caps and we're discussing possible survival plans and your extensive collection of metallic hentai holds the answer to our prayers and you can't bear to put it in a thread that actually pertains to metallic hentai or come up with your own relevant thread with a cool title like "An Inconvenient Tentacle-Rape?" I ask you good sir, is that so horrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I've not fought it. I put my hands up and admitted what i did was wrong. Thats about as much input as i've had so far in this thread. That, and a gif after the opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 That was more a general statement, you're gonna go whatever the way the wind blows and decry all with mixed results. (Also you look like the pudgy guy from Rascal Flatts which means I can never see you as threatening. Ever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I just don't really care if i'm to be honest. What i did was stupid. Its not been done since, why can't we move on in knowing respect that it won't be repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Ah another drama ross is the center of again! The world is back to normal!!! I'd argue, should you even be surfing on Hondo's @ Work, surely then its your tough luck if you get nailed looking at something you shouldn't be. My employer automatically blocks out forums, so i can't view at work, only at home. Though i agree the shoutbox has the potential to cause problems, if people apply common sense it should all be hunky dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alive she cried Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Though i agree the shoutbox has the potential to cause problems, if people apply common sense it should all be hunky dory You'd think thatwouldn't you, I'd hoped that'd be problem solved too. But apparently people wanted it extended to all non nsfw threads which is where i call bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I'd argue, should you even be surfing on Hondo's @ Work, surely then its your tough luck if you get nailed looking at something you shouldn't be. For a lot of people that's the only place they can get on or the only place they can for a long period of time. Is that fair to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Ok. I am gonna piss someone off, but you know what, you are just a snively bitch. Hondosbar.com/forum is just that, an internet forum. The internet is a monster of a creation and anything is possible on the internet. Your 'right' to be on the internet isnt a right at all. It is a privelage. That is why some sites are pay sites, some are blocked to private members, and so on. Noone has the 'right' to be here, they have the priv to be here. Logging into Hondosbar doesnt promise, guaruntee, makes notions to, declare... ANYTHING. If you want to come onto this or any other website, you are making the decission to do so. YOU are not Hondosbar, YOU are a collective part of it. YOU have no internet rights whatsoever. if that's the case, then you shouldn't be complaining if I manage to get rules implemented to make designated NSFW areas. You have no rights, after all... Respectfully speaking, I think everyone has cooled their jets out of respect. Speaks major volumes, and yet some people are still being cocks about it. who and how? I am only on here discussing the whys and why nots, not imposing nor bashing about them, unlike a few of you. You can disgree all you want, but to imply rude or disrespectful things is out of line. wait, that's what we're ALL doing here. Who's being rude or disrespectful, Sig? Basically, this is the fundamental argument we're having: Is a person's right to post NSFW material greater than another person's right to access the site? Is ASC's right to put nude pics wherever he wants whenever he wants greater than my right to access the site whenever and wherever I want? Is there a kind of compromise? Fact is, by and large, we DO have NSFW threads, and all the other threads (generally) remain SFW. Politics is a good example (and again, I'm saying by and large) I do the vast majority of my posting from work. To count, I'm nearing 13k posts here. It cannot be denied that I'm a very productive and active member of this community. ASC is, too. but is ASC's (or anyone's) 'right' (as sig pointed out) to post whatever NSFW material anywhere and everywhere on this board greater than my right (or anyone's) to actually access this place? that's been my fundamental question this entire time. ASC: I'm not asking for censorship. We should not ban any kind of legal material here ever. However, much like all political threads end up in Politics, shouldn't all NSFW threads/material end up in a NSFW corner? We have a corner for everything here: this place is very well organized. Again: look at Blargh as a perfect example of how our none-written system provided an outlet that works. I'm advocating continuing that system but making it official, because while most of us here may be cool, inevitably we'll get another R2S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkyMonkey Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) WITTSA!!!!!!!! Edited February 15, 2009 by SpunkyMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier of fortune Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 For a lot of people that's the only place they can get on or the only place they can for a long period of time. Is that fair to them? Is it fair to that person's employer that their staff is using company time and equipment to surf an internet forum? We can dance round this campfire all night, thats just my opinion. It sucks there are times when we can't get online as much as we like, but life kinda has a habit of getting in the way doesn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) but is ASC's (or anyone's) 'right' (as sig pointed out) to post whatever NSFW material anywhere and everywhere on this board greater than my right (or anyone's) to actually access this place? that's been my fundamental question this entire time. Short answer... yes, the right to post is greater than the right to access. (and don't think I didn't notice that ASC's right went into scare quotes and yours didn't.) Here's the deal as far as I'm concerned... This place was founded in the Drunken Deities era as a place of free expression and new members joined up knowing that. (It wasn't as clear cut as that, I have to admit. Even in those days we had vigorous debates on what could/ should be posted. But the debates then always ended on the side of anything goes.) Now, I'm not against having NSFW shit posted in an appropriate place (that's the way I'd prefer it), but I *am* against legislating it. The sanctions for posting NSFW in the shoutbox should be socially policed, not administratively. As much as possible. From what I can see, NSFW hasn't been a problem in the shoutbox since the initial over-exuberance and now that the issue has been raised, I don't see it coming up again. If NSFW in the shoutbox remains a problem even with a warning on it, then I am prepared to change my stance and back a rule about it, but I want to see that we have an actual problem before I got that far. Edited February 15, 2009 by Jumbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Is it fair to that person's employer that their staff is using company time and equipment to surf an internet forum? Oh for fuck's sake don't go dragging in parties that are not pertinent to this argument just because the number of places it's proper for you to show tits is shrinking just the tiniest bit more. Besides, most companies have no problem with their employees surfing the internet no matter what their "official" stance is, but their stance on pornography is pretty black and white. The point is, a lot of us have trouble dropping by as often as we want to anyway, we don't need another factor complicating shit just cause somebody thinks Sarah Palin porn belongs in the politics section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 wasnt talking about you Joel, so you can stop worrying. Ive said my piece and my points are seemingly invalid... so much like politics, everyone has their stance and noone else can change that. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Short answer... yes, the right to post is greater than the right to access. actually, the answer is 'NO', Jumbie. 'Your rights end where mine begin' is a staple of libertarian philosophy. My rights begin with logging on to the website, and if I can't do that, you're infringing on my rights. (and don't think I didn't notice that ASC's right went into scare quotes and yours didn't.) that was specifically for Sig. Is it fair to that person's employer that their staff is using company time and equipment to surf an internet forum? irrelevant. My employer allows it so long as it doesn't interfere with my productivity which, given the nature of my work, doesn't. Be that as it may, even if it did, it would be irrelevant to this discussion. Now, I'm not against having NSFW shit posted in an appropriate place (that's the way I'd prefer it), but I *am* against legislating it. The sanctions for posting NSFW in the shoutbox should be socially policed, not administratively. As much as possible. From what I can see, NSFW hasn't been a problem in the shoutbox since the initial over-exuberance and now that the issue has been raised, I don't see it coming up again. If NSFW in the shoutbox remains a problem even with a warning on it, then I am prepared to change my stance and back a rule about it, but I want to see that we have an actual problem before I got that far. I tend to agree with you, but I'm thinking long term here. Hell, I'm willing to even let sleeping dogs lie. My questioin (and its, again, purely conjecture, so take it as such) is for new people that join us. We've had problems in the past with some posting some material that was clearly illegal (pedo), to which one of our mods needed to actually censor it. In fact, as far as I can remember, I think it's the only case of cesnorship on Hondo's and it was well done. I'm thinking some kind of guidelines should be implemented, especially since we always send newcomers into the FAQ. While most here have been here for a long time and we pretty much adhere to unspoken rules, that may not always be the case. It's easier to nip problems in the bud than wait for them to become problematic before dealing with them. I believe this is one of those situations, considering the possible implications is someone losing their jobs. wasnt talking about you Joel, so you can stop worrying. oh, I know. If you were talking about me, you would have said so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 actually, the answer is 'NO', Jumbie. 'Your rights end where mine begin' is a staple of libertarian philosophy. Except that your right to view Hondo's doesn't exist in the way you're framing it. I mean, we aren't talking US constitution, we're talking Hondonian 'Law'. There is no right to view Hondo's explicit or implicit in the operation of the forum. Hondo's is like cable TV: access to the content is a choice that the user makes, so the content does not have to be suitable for every potential user and is thus not subject to restriction in the way broadcast TV is. Now that probably makes me seem like an asshole who doesn't care that his fellow members have access problems, but I'm very sympathetic: I had tons of access problems back when the user signatures used to take forever to load through my dial-up. I understand the frustration of not having access. But I never campaigned for a restriction on signatures, because I wouldn't want to have access to a place that had to change to allow me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hondo's is like cable TV: access to the content is a choice that the user makes, so the content does not have to be suitable for every potential user and is thus not subject to restriction in the way broadcast TV is. Cable TV has ratings. If something says TV-Mature you know it will have questionable content and thus is not appropriote for any time and you know if it says TV-14 you're pretty much golden no matter what. If someone puts TV-MA content and puts a TV-14 rating on it people will be pissed when they watch an episode of OZ with their 5-year-old and then the FCC kicks the programming planner in the taint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 we can easily say shoutbox is rated NSFW... what then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) we can easily say shoutbox is rated NSFW... what then? Well then traffic around here goes from a shuffle to a crawl. We haven't exactly been party central lately as it is. Note: It only does that if people take advantage of the NSFW rating, if not it's not an issue. Edited February 16, 2009 by Iambaytor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I dont disagree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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