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"Dude, take a picture of me in front of this burning building. It totally looks like a bat"

Or perhaps, like the graffiti in the original teaser poster, it's something the Joker would do to get his attention? Oh yes, also in Dark Knight news, reports are putting the film's runtime close to the three hour mark.

Awesome new Dark Knight poster:

Meanwhile, word is that the new trailer will be making its online debut in four days.

I'd love to make a bigger version of the Preachers user bar as a banner.

In the meantime, I used to use this as my signature:

yeah,

but you gotta admit there are worse ways of fucking up a character.

making an entertaining film albeit an off-character one, will at least get people interested in looking up the comics

I'm not sure about that.. He's changed the look. He's changed the tone. He's changed the writing style. He's changed the characters. It's like if David Mamet wrote the script for a Peanuts movie. At some point it's just not the same character anymore, and how could there be a worse way of fucking it up than that?

I agree that Miller has done some fine work, but all of it was years ago. It's almost as if he got so enamored with his own Sin City work (which, I'll come out and say it, is not that great for the most part) that that's all he wants to do anymore. Everything he does is just Sin City with a different name. Sorry, Frank, but I'm a little tired of Sin City. I got tired of Sin City halfway through the actual Sin City books. I want the goddamn Spirit now.

I read something on this that kinda made me feel more satisfied with it. Someone on Superhero Hype who was a big Spirit fan. He said that he didn't want or need Will Eisner's the Spirit movie, he'd seen that carefully weaved into the pages of every single comic. He said Frank Miller was doing with the Spirit what he did with Batman, and Daredevil, and all that. He's showing his version of it. But rather than doing a comic he was doing a movie. This kinda helped me appreciate the movie a bit more.

Y'know, with most characters, I would completely agree. But as iconic and influential as the Spirit was, only true comic geeks in most cases know the character. And even among comic geeks, it's only the select few willing to look back past the last two decades of tights and tits. He's not a part of popular consciousness like Spider-man or Superman. For most people, this will be the first time they've ever seen the character and it should be an accurate representation. When people see Miller's version of the Spirit all they're going to see is Sin City 1.5. They're not going to come out of it with any appreciation for Eisner's work or any need to go out and read his old Spirit comics (or even the new Darwyn Cooke ones which are quite good). When Burton did his version of Batman, it was fine, because everyone already knew the real version of Batman. When Frank Miller turns the Spirit into a crappy Sin City clone, most people aren't going to know the difference and that's an injustice to a great character.

Yep, I thought it was great. And actually, I think I liked Blood & Iron a little bit more. I only wish they could put just a little more time and money into the animation.

It doesn't suck. Doug Jones does Abe's voice in the animated movies too. Just give it a minute to get used to it and you'll see that he's actually quite good at the role.

For the record, Harley could sue, or at least give us a cease and desist order, if they wanted to be dicks. Changing the words in a logo isn't enough to claim satire.

On the other hand, we've seen plenty of examples of cg characters convincingly fitting into the environment, while still being noticeably cartoony. So, basically, I just don't want to see a fully cg Bone. I want one that's either 2D and loyal to Smith's art style, or live action with cg bone characters (and cg rat creatures, dragons, and leaf bugs)

I think the art style for Bone would work much better in 2D personally. It was meant to be like Mickey and the gang go to Middle Earth, and the animation style should reflect that in my mind.

Agreed, but to get that feel it might actually be better to combine animation and live-action. Without being cgi, I haven't seen that done successfully since Roger Rabbit (and since Roger Rabbit's characters are styled after Tex Avery animation, it wasn't so detrimental that they didn't quite fit in with the world around them).

I hate to be a cynic about traditional animation, but I'd hate for Bone to be a flop because the public interest has moved away from traditional animation, especially if it's planned as a film series (a trilogy I'd imagine), it's so important that it be financially successful, and I'm afraid that, for now, traditional animation isn't going to excite the public.

See, I don't buy that. Jeffrey Katzenberg and other so-called experts said a few years back that no one wanted to watch 2D animation anymore, but they neglected to acknowledge the fact that the bulk of 2D animation at the time was crap! Actual good 2D animated films, like The Emperor's New Groove in 2000 and Lilo & Stitch in 2002 were quite successful (can you think of any good broad release 2D animated films since then?). The problem with animation is that there's no big name director or actor (except in something like Madagascar or Bee Movie) for an audience to get excited about seeing. Studio names can draw people in. That's why in the 90s when Disney could be counted on to put out a good film every year, its 2D animated films were some of the biggest money makers in theaters. When Disney's quality began to take a dive, Pixar stepped in and has continued such an incredible track record since the beginning that many people will go see a Pixar film just because it's a Pixar film. Dreamworks used to have a similarly good reputation as well, though they've tarnished it recently with stuff like Shark Tale and Shrek the Third. Without studio name recognition, an animated film depends on a very strong marketing campaign to get a good opening weekend, and then it has to actually be a good film to keep people coming through word of mouth. That's why even animated films with bad marketing campaigns that have poor openings - like Ratatouille, for example - can still go on to become one of the most successful films of the year. The point is, people don't go to animated films because they're cg, they go to them because, moreso than any other film medium, they have some interest in the story.

Many movie goers still has fond feelings about 2D animated films. The family crowd swarmed Enchanted in droves because of those fond feelings. If Warner Bros is willing to actually make a 2D Bone film into a good film, then it will likely be very successful and maybe the studios will finally see that it wasn't the medium that people were responding to.

You really really do not.

Have you seen the costumes yet? For the Octopus, I mean.

Yeah, sorry, I still can't get past it. There are only three comic properties that I care about when it comes to film adaptations. Beyond these three, I don't really care if a comic movie turns out to be good or bad. I'd be disappointed, sure, but aside from these three, it wouldn't upset me. One is Daredevil, and the director's cut was a good enough movie to satisfy me for now. The second is Bone, which I hear they're finally working on, with heavy involvement from Jeff Smith. And the third and probably top of the list is The Spirit. And they are fucking up The Spirit. I'm not gonna boycott it or anything. Frank Miller may genuinely surprise and impress me. But to be honest, I haven't really been impressed by anything he's done since Batman: Year One, so I'm not gonna hold my breath.

While not as big as mine it's still impressive.

Man, if I had a dime for everytime I hear those words...

Yeah, he's working on 1906 - his and Pixar's first live action, non-family-oriented film.

Too late. Filming is underway. If we killed him now, the film would just be finished by Robert Rodriguez or something out of...cough..."respect".

I know! He'd been trying to get the rights for years. He almost had 'em and was going to do it either as live action or as a cg project with Pixar(!) before Miller snatched it out from under him. I'd kill for a Brad Bird Spirit film.

It does have many noir elements - the cinematography, the cynical protagonist, the cast of colorful lowlifes, the snappy dialogue (though that particular trait was true of many films at the time, from noir to screwball comedies). But the most common element of a film noir is that the story focuses on crime, whether from the point of view of an investigator or from the criminals themselves. I can't think of a single noir film, or even a film that is arguably considered noir by some (aside from Casablanca) that doesn't focus on a crime that has been or is being committed.

Silly how? That's like saying "on the spectrum of black."

Yeah, that's why it's silly. On a side note, I've never understood why some people consider Casablanca to be a film noir. It shares a few elements, sure, but it's hardly noir.

No, The Spirit is a crime/noir comic. But it's good, character-driven, often humorous noir, not crap, guns and tits, over the top self indulgent noir. They may fall into the same genre, but The Spirit and Sin City are about as far away on the noir spectrum as you can get (and yes, I'm aware of the silliness of the phrase "noir spectrum"). A true Spirit movie would be similar to what Warren Beatty was trying to accomplish with his Dick Tracy film.

Speaking of The Spirit, check out these pics before the studio yanks 'em.

Some things to note: originally the Spirit's suit was blue, but of course Miller decided to make it black. Most times I don't care much when details from comics are changed for the screen, but the blue suit is the Spirit trademark, so changing it to black is like changing Spider-man's costume to yellow and purple. Also, Samuel L. Jackson is playing The Octopus. In the books, you never get to see the Octopus's face. In the movie, apparently not only do you get to see plenty of him, but he's the most flamboyantly over-the-top villain since Jim Carrey wore Riddler tights. If you ask me, the only actor who looks like he belongs in this story is Dan Lauria. Granted, he looks absolutely nothing like his character Commissioner Dolan (they couldn't have even tried to put a mustache on him?) but at least he looks like he's in a Spirit movie. I stand by my previous statement. Fuck Frank Miller.

The official teaser poster for The Spirit:

Ugh. It's true. He's Millerfied it. Gag. Fuckin' Frank Miller.

Fuckers. I thought King Kong was great.

except that all news sources point to this being Jackson's Project, NOT Del Torros. It would seem even New Line gave it back to Jackson than to Del Torro

Yes, Jackson is producing, so yes it's still kind of his project, but del Toro will be calling the shots on set while Jackson will be off working on Tintin. It will be del Toro's Hobbit as much as Jackson's.