Reverend Jax Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 OK, the Pop Culture Icons one we all agreed was rediculous, but this one isn't all that bad, or at least not as bad as the pop culture icons one. Making a list everyone can agree on is really hard, and this one hits on or near the mark more tiems than I could have. It's obviously sad to see no songs by Pink Floyd, U2, Fleetwood Mac, REM, Black Sabbath, Neil Young, Tom Petty, Janis Joplin, or Joni Mitchell, but it's hard to associate anyone those artists with a single defining song. 1. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 2. Respect - Aretha Franklin 3. Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin 4. Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 5. Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen 6. Hotel California - The Eagles 7. Light My Fire - The Doors 8. Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 9. Hey Jude - The Beatles 10. Imagine - John Lennon 11. Louie Louie - The Kingsmen 12. Yesterday - The Beatles 13. My Generation - The Who 14. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye 15. Johnny B Goode - Chuck Berry 16. Layla - Derek and The Dominos 17. Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who 18. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 19. American Pie - Don McLean 20. A Day In The Life - The Beatles 21. I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown 22. Superstition - Stevie Wonder 23. I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 24. Brown Sugar - Rolling Stones 25. Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix 26. Sympathy For The Devil - Rolling Stones 27. Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen 28. You Really Got Me - The Kinks 29. Oh, Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison 30. Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel 31. Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 32. Let It Be - The Beatles 33. (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 34. All Along The Watchtower - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 35. Walk This Way - Aerosmith 36. My Girl - The Temptations 37. Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley & His Comets 38. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 39. Proud Mary - Creedence Clearwater Revival 40. Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf 41. Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana 42. Every Breath You Take - The Police 43. What'd I Say - Ray Charles 44. Free Bird - Lynyrd Skynyrd 45. That'll Be The Day - Buddy Holly and The Crickets 46. Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin 47. Dream On - Aerosmith 48. California Dreamin' - Mamas and The Papas 49. Brown Eyed Girl - Van Morrison 50. Wild Thing - The Troggs 51. Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills and Nash 52. Beat It - Michael Jackson 53. Great Balls Of Fire - Jerry Lee Lewis 54. Stayin' Alive - Bee Gees 55. For What It's Worth - Buffalo Springfield 56. Blowin' In The Wind - Bob Dylan 57. Twist And Shout - The Beatles 58. Piano Man - Billy Joel 59. She Loves You - The Beatles 60. Space Oddity - David Bowie 61. Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 62. Kashmir - Led Zeppelin 63. Crazy - Patsy Cline 64. London Calling - The Clash 65. Jumpin' Jack Flash - Rolling Stones 66. Rock & Roll - Led Zeppelin 67. Let's Stay Together - Al Green 68. All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 69. Maggie May - Rod Stewart 70. Your Song - Elton John 71. Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 72. God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 73. The Twist - Chubby Checker 74. Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard 75. Sunshine Of Your Love - Cream 76. California Girls - The Beach Boys 77. Summertime Blues - Eddie Cochran 78. Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 79. A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 80. Fire And Rain - James Taylor 81. Gloria - Them 82. Sexual Healing - Marvin Gaye 83. Start Me Up - Rolling Stones 84. More Than A Feeling - Boston 85. Roxanne - The Police 86. We Are The Champions - Queen 87. Tangled Up In Blue - Bob Dylan 88. Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane 89. Stand By Me - Ben E King 90. Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On - Jerry Lee Lewis 91. You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC 92. When Doves Cry - Prince & The Revolution 93. In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 94. Gimme Some Lovin' - Spencer Davis Group 95. Jump - Van Halen 96. Thunder Road - Bruce Springsteen 97. No Woman No Cry - Bob Marley & The Wailers 98. La Bamba - Ritchie Valens 99. We've Only Just Begun - The Carpenters 100. Papa Was A Rolling Stone - The Temptations So, firstly, what song that is here is the single biggest mistake/atrocity of this list? Is it Born to Run getting to #5? Is it the Carpenters getting ont he list at all? Is it David Bowie only appear once, and at #60? Is it Walk This Way at #35? And secondly, what song that isn't here is the single biggest mistake/atrocity of this list? Is it that there's no Pink Floyd song? Is it that there's no Black Sabbath song? Is it the exclusion of the Isley Brothers' Shout? Or classic instrumentals like Wipeout or Tequila? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin Okay, I'm probably alone here and I can see myself getting lynched for this one, but I just don't rate that song. I have no explanation, it's just one of those things. Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen Yeah, this was quite the strange choice for #5. The song is good, but I don't think it should've been in the top 100, let alone the top 5. Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who Baba O'Reilly, The Kids are Alright or Squeezebox shoulda been here instead. That being said it still is a great fucking song. Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen This is another song I don't rate. Sure I appreciate the structure but it's just another example of over indulgent 70s rock. Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin More Zeppelin. More over indulgent 70s rock. Good musicians and whatever but not my cup of tea. Kashmir - Led Zeppelin No point in stating the same thing three times in a row... Crazy - Patsy Cline Whoa - whoa - whoa...since when was "Crazy" a rock n' roll song? Did I miss something? That being said I like the song, it's just that I don't think that it should be on this list. Rock & Roll - Led Zeppelin For fuck's sake. What's VH1's love affair with Led Zeppelin? More Than A Feeling - Boston Hmmm...not too sure about this one. Didn't Kurt Cobain say that's where he stole "Smells like Teen Spirit" from? I guess it gets away safely because of that... We Are The Champions - Queen Stupid fucking Queen. The only time this song is good is when it gets played after you complete a "Pro Evolution Soccer 2" (or "Winning Eleven" to the U.S. gamers) world cup. Where are the Ramones? I'll be fucked if "Blitzkrieg Bop" isn't one of the greatest rock n' roll songs ever. Staying with Punk, what about "God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols. It woulda been nice if "Wouldn't it be Nice" was on the list (worst pun ever). I was happy to see "Louie, Louie" on the list though. When I saw the title that was the first song I thought of. I know my buzz-phrase for this post was "70s Over Indulgent Rock" but I'm still gonna ask where Pink Floyd were. "Money" shoulda been on the list. The rest of the shit was good and I agree with Jax's Carpenters (I left it alone due to that), Isley Brothers and Sabbath points so I'm gonna keep my mouth shut about them. At lease there was one AC/DC song on the list - and to make it even better...it was my favorite one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Yeah I agree with most of what's been said, except for 2T's non-ranking of Zeppelin. I personally think I would've put Stairway to Heaven as number one, but that might just be because I was never a big fan of Satisfaction. (Shrug) Either way, I'm not gonna quibble over two spots. It's in the top three and that's good enough for me. There're a few other oddities already mentioned - The Carpenters, Crazy (and is Beat It really a rock n' roll song? How much more pop can you get than Michael Jackson?) but otherwise it's a damn good list, especially for VH1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I think Beat It gets away with it 'cause of Eddie Van Halen's rocking solo! :P Another thing I thought of is where the hell were Guns N Roses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Another thing I thought of is where the hell were Guns N Roses? Oh damn, you're right...I'd say, ummm, November Rain should be on there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 I must say punk music as short changed here. The only real punk song here is London Calling. And if GN'R would have benn on with list, Welcome To The Jungle would have been the song, not November Rain. I love November Rain, but Welcome To The Jungle is the definitive GN'R song. And I don't think Born To Run belongs at #5, but it is Bruce's best song, and it does belong on the list, just farther down, like in the twenties. And if Won't Get Fooled Again weren't the secong Who song on the list, it would have have to have been either Baba O'Reilly or Pinball Wizard, not Squeeze Box or The Kids Are Alright (Love 'em, but they aren't top 100 song material). Speaking of the Who, how can you dislike Zep for being "overindulgent" but like the Who? Thay are so similar in their approach, musicanship and granduer. As for What's VH1's love affair with Led Zeppelin? It's not just a VH1 thing, Zep is loved by many, many, many people. By many standards, they are the second most popular band in the world, after The Beatles. They've sold more LPs than any other band/artist in the world, except for the Beatles. They have more consecutive LPs to hit #1 than any other band, except for the Beatles. Estimates show that Stairway To Heaven is the all time most radio requested song. They have 3 LPs on the 50 Highest selling LP list, more than anybody else except for the Beatles, who have 4 (2 of the 4 Beatles LPs on that list are greatest hits album, none of the Zep albums are). Case in point: VH1 doesn't have some love for Zep disproportionate to that of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 They've sold more LPs than any other band/artist in the world, except for the Beatles. They have more consecutive LPs to hit #1 than any other band, except for the Beatles. Estimates show that Stairway To Heaven is the all time most radio requested song. They have 3 LPs on the 50 Highest selling LP list, more than anybody else except for the Beatles, who have 4 (2 of the 4 Beatles LPs on that list are greatest hits album, none of the Zep albums are). Sure they sold alot, but so has Brittany Spears. How in the fuck do they get 4 songs in the top 100 and the Ramones get none. I mean, the Ramones may not have sold half as many records as Led Zep (and the sales have only really been picking up recently - well, picking up as so far as Ramones sales go) but they did for the destruction of (lemme say that magic catchphrase again) 1970s over indulgent 40 minute guitar solo cock rock as Nirvana did for the destruction of pop and hair metal in the early 90s. The Ramones weren't arrogant "artistes", they were four bruddas from NYC who went out there and got the job done. They didn't give a rats ass about what anyone thought. They just played their tunes. They were pure and simple. Now THAT is Rock n' Roll. Also, I know that being a U.S. list, there wasn't much of a chance of this being on the list but the song that infamous D.J. John Peel ranks as the greatest 45 ever "Teenage Kicks" by the Undertones would've been a nice addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 The members of Led Zeppelin weren't self absorbed arrogant "artistes", they were fucking supertalented musicans and fuckign supertalented songwriters, and they're music is still touching people's lives today and influencing countless musicans. I love the Ramones (I'll admit, I only have their self titled album and Rocket To Russia, but I love them both), but Zep made incredible music. With music, it's not about right and wrong style. You can't say simple is good and complex is bad. Do simple right, and it rocks, do complex right, and it rocks. You mentioned Nirvana as deconstructing hair metal, well Kurt Cobain says he always wanted to make solid albums, and used Led Zeppelin II as an example of the kind of record he wanted to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 There's a world of difference between Led Zeppelin and Motley Crue, Twisted Sister etc. I wasn't saying that the bands were of the same genre, I was just making the comment that they were both cocaine and caviar types. As far the "arrogant artistes" I was not limiting this - or even including as part of this (in the post at least) - to just Led Zeppelin. Yes, the Ramones, although my favorite band of all time, made some shitty albums in their later years, but if you look at Ramones, Leave Home, Rocket to Russia, Road to Ruin, Rock n Roll High School (kinda), End of the Century and Subteranian Jungle, you got some of the greatest rock n' roll ever commited to vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 No doubt. I think the Ramones got gipped in this list (not that they would care, being them). While it's impossible to credit one band with creating punk, the Ramones deserve more credit than anyone, even more than the New York Dolls or the Sex Pistols. I will not argue that the Ramones are awesome or that they deserve to have at least one son on this list, but Zep was incredible and still is to this day, and will be for a long fucking time. I still think you got the wrong impression of Zep with your "cocaine and caviar" notion of them. Just listen to Communication Breakdown and tell me they don't know how to rock balls out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 35. Walk This Way - Aerosmith Is this the Aerosmith original or the Run DMC/Aerosmith version? I really can't see it being the former, as although it's a good tune, it was the latter that really revolutionoised things. I also wanna elaborate on my Ramones being a result of just the 70s indulgent rock bands, they were also trying to break away from all the peace and love hippy shit of the 60s, that although had it's moments throughout the decade, soon became vapid and repetitive. Also, I'm not denying Led Zeppelins ability to "rock", it's just that that kinda stuff never sat quite right with me. It's not hard to understand why people like 'em and yes they are talented musicians, but just not my cup of tea par se. I just like the more straight forward shit. AC/DC are a perfect example of this. They deserved to have more than one song on the list, although "Shook me all Night Long" is probably my favorite of their tunes, it shoulda been higher ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted August 27, 2003 Author Share Posted August 27, 2003 "You Shook Me All Night Long" is the favorite AC-DC song of everyone who doesn't know shit about AC-DC. Just like Purple Haze is the favorite Hendrix song of non-Hendrix fans. It's a fine song, but not nearly they're best. Compare it to any song of the US version of High Voltage, Let There Be Rock, Dirty deeds done Dirt Cheap or Highway To Hell, and even most of the songs of Powerage, and there's no contest. Best AC-DC song: It's A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock N' Roll), Whole Lotta Rosie, Let There Be Rock, Big Balls or TNT. As for the lame peace and love hippy shit of the 60's, exactly what Zep song has any hippiness to it at all? Name one. I know you don't know much about Zep, but even if you did, you couldn't do it. Even Ozzy said "maybe it's not to late, to learn how to love And forget how to hate," but you won't find any of it in Zep songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I only hold that as my favorite song as the first time that I ever heard them was when I saw the video. Thus, it holds a special place in m heart, much in the way “Buddy Holly” by Weezer does. Yes there are better songs. From the Bon Scott era, and don’t say that they weren’t giving the finger to all the bollocks that was out there when they first hit the scene, “Its A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock N Roll)” - as you said, “Ain't No Fun (Waiting Round To Be A Millionaire)”, “Love at First Feel” (love those school girls - love ‘em), and from the Brian Johnson years there’s tracks like “For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)”, “What Do You Do For Money Honey?”, and “Hell’s Bells” (quite possibly the best song to listen to to get pumped before a game) to name but a few. Excuse me if I’m not up to your elitist rock n’ roll standards. I’m sure if I said that my favorite Stones song was “(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction ” you would claim that only someone who knew nothing about the Stones would say that. Also - I didn’t say that Led Zeppelin were hippy - I was saying that it wasn’t just Zeppelin and those type of bands that the Ramones wanted to get away from it was ALSO the hippy shit. Then again, you don’t jump to conclusions now do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkerSeed Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Call me crazy, but my favorite ACDC song is "For those about to rock." The cannons at the end do it for me (Especially when i saw em live) As for the best rolling stones song mine is probably Angie, but I'll admit I don't know em all that well. Satisfaction is a good choice just because of it's impact and all that shit. I understand 2track's point about zepplin and stuff. Now, zepplin is one of my favorite bands ever, but I do know a lot of people that just can't get into bands that "space out" for like 20 minutes in the middle of a song or write 10 part rock operas full of motifs and progressions and stuff. They'd much rather hear a 2 minute ramones song. And of course there's people who think that the ramones song is simplistic shitty songwriting. I like both, but I can definately understand why someone would hate one of the extremes... that's why they're called extremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganny McVagflaps Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Thank you Junker. Great points in there. Let's hope that your voice of reason isn't lost... (and you're a lucky cunt to see AC/DC....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted September 25, 2003 Author Share Posted September 25, 2003 Yes, Zep had 10 minute plus songs (In The Evening, Achillie's Last Stand, Carouselambra), but they also had 2-3 minute rockers. I just don't see how you could lump Zep into a group like "cocaine and cavier astistes" or "hippy" or as writting a bunch of "20 minute songs" unless it's out of pure ignorance. And fuck your "Excuse me if I’m not up to your elitist rock n’ roll standards." You Shook Me All Night Long ain't AC-DC's best song. It's the radio song that all those people that never listen to AC-DC album love to hear. The most popular radio song of any given band could be that band's best, or not. AC-DC is one of those bands that it's not. And liking Statisfaction the best is fine. I can't understand how Sympathy For The Devil could fall below Satisfaction on anyone's list, but that's just my opinion. And damn you Junker for seeing AC-DC live. For Those About To Rock is truely badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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