archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Also...describe why you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldron Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Ergh, explanation. Flash took down Braniac Luthor solo. Whole team couldn't do what he did. Seems to have access to a core power that underscores the entire universe, while superman is just some creepily optimistic space mutant. Underscore: I'd just WANT Flash to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 I honestly believe Flash (and we can interchangeably use Wally or Barry here) could win. Jay could put up a fight, but he'd ultimately lose because his power is different than the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaon Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 ... Hasn't he already won against Supes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Even with his expanded powers in the last 20 years (gaining control over inertia, speedforce etc etc.) Flash just isn't strong enough to take down a man who can stand up to RPGs. However I am a big fan of the idea that Flash is just tons faster than Supes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 when you can move faster than the speed of light, all you need to do is move an index finger that fast and touch the guy on his chest and watch him liquefy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Right, but Flash's powers have never worked that way. I mean, it's been well established that he hits a thousand times a second but each punch is human strength. Now, that's actually crap physics, but we'tre not gonna get into a discussion of superhero physics. Think about that scenario with Flash poking someone at the speed of light. If the extra speed somehow was going to result in extra momentum for the punch, then flash's finger would break before superman's rib's felt the tickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 you also forget two things about the Flash: 1. he can steal speed to augment his own 2. he can phase through objects he can use both of those abilities to simply bypass superman's durability Even failing all that, he could simply trap him in the speed force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 1- Doesn't matter how much speed he steals, a collision between any part of him and any part of Supes would be like an egg against a steel wall 2- Doesn't matter if he can vibrate his atoms through stuff, because he still needs to slow down the vibrations to make contact and do damage. And again, any contact between his fragile human atoms and Superman's alien ones means catastrophic damage for Flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 even he he turns into pure energy? Sorry, but even Supes cant stand up to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Superman Blue says hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldron Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Supes can't beat what he can't hit. Flash can hit Supes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Supes can't beat what he can't hit. Flash can tickle Supes. fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaon Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Supes can't beat what he can't hit. Flash can tickle Supes. fixed. Fine. Superman dies from laughing so damn much 'cause Flash keeps tickling him. Even Supes has gotta breathe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 ah, but then - supes holds his breath for long periods of time in space, thus making this a question of endurance! can the flash tickle him for days on end until he dies, or would his need to eat/sleep/defecate/answer the phonecalls from his angry wife/etc cause him to relent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaon Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Hold his breath, yes. Laughter involves a great deal of exhaling though. Have you ever laughed for an extended period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 That's against Wally. This isn't even 'I'll just run us two seconds into the future because i can' Barry. ...c'mon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 heh, DC kids. this is like those of you that voted Batman over Cap because "he could escape the fight better". can Flash hide in the future or something? yes. if he doesnt, will superman easily outlast him and eventually just throw him into the sun for being so far out of his league & having tugged on his cape? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Or will the flash simply push Superman into the Speed force and be done with the guy? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 OK< so I haven't read any Flash since Bart died and Wally and the kids came back, so I don't know what level Barry 'should still be dead' Allen is operating at. But, so far the two things Archangel has brought up that seem like they have a chance are turning into pure energy, which I have no idea about and throwing Supes into the speedforce. I mean comic books are very vague about 'energy' in general, but Energy has a few known forms. Kinetic energy, which seems the most likely with Flash. Can't have this without some mass and once there's mass, there's molecules and that means there's gonna be contact between Flash and Supes and Flash loses. Light energy: Again, likely with Flash's speed power. Light can be powerful (lasers etc) but nothing Superman can't handle. As for tossing Supes into the Speedforce... Well, if it was that easy, doesn't that pretty much make Flash invincible? I mean, why can't he throw Darkseid into the Speedforce? Doomsday? I mean, who COULD beat Flash if this is really as simple as Archangel makes it sound? But, as I said, I haven't followed ANY comics for nearly a year so I don't know what's going on with Barry's powers and how they supposedly work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Or will the flash simply push Superman into the Speed force and be done with the guy? yes ...if that's true, if he can really do that now: jump ship while you can. overpowered characters are boring as shit, and the best stories come from them typically being weakened (Thor, etc). why dont we read more Silver Surfer, Ion or Sentry? yeah, that's why. Flash should be able to outrun supes, sure. but even post-crisis, you're pitting a metahuman against a demi-god, basically. this shouldn't even be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Superman Blue says hello. Excuse Red? That's against Wally. This isn't even 'I'll just run us two seconds into the future because i can' Barry....c'mon now.What the fuck does that even mean, 'running us two seconds into the future'? Depending on your reading speed, I just ran us all 5-10 seconds into the future and I did that from Australia! Bickety-BAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 You're not caught up with Darkest Night, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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