Thelogan Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Swiped from another forum. So DC is relaunching with the 52 titles it says are essential, so if Marvel was only going to publish 52 books, what would you want them to be? It should probably be diverse, but covering all the demographic bases and licensing bases. The original thread had people listing creative teams, but that's too hardcore for me. You guys feel free. I guess I'll just get the big shit out of the way first. 1. X-Men 2. Spider-Man 3. Hulk 4. Iron Man 5. Captain America *groan* 6. Thor 7. Punisher 8. Wolverine 9. Black Panther 10. Avengers 11. Fantastic Four 12. Dr. Strange 13. Silver Surfer 14. Daredevil 15. X-Factor 16. Man-Thing 17. Nightstalkers 18. Power Pack 19. Heroes for Hire : Luke Cage & Iron Fist 20. Moon Knight 21. Nick Fury - S.W.O.R.D. and S.H.I.E.L.D. 22. Ghost Rider 23. Werewolf b Night 24. New Mutants 25. Doom 26. What if..? 27. Namor 28. Deadpool 29. Warlock (Adam, not the technoalien) 30. Hellstorm: Son of Satan 31. Machine Man 32. Deathlok 33. Venom 34. Ka-Zar 34. Amazing Adult Fantasy 35. What The.?!? 36. 2099 37. The Howling Commandos 38. Thunderbolts 39. Conan 40. Shang-Chi 41. Thanos 42. Devil Dinosaur 43. Beta Ray Bill 44. Howard the Duck 45. Secret Defenders (constantly changing team of mostly B-listers style) 46. Millie the Model 47. Marvel Team-Up 48. Rawhide Kid & Norhstar demographics! 49. She Hulk: Attorney at Law 50. Alias 51. Killraven: Warrior of Worlds 52. Longshot Huh. That wasn't so bad. If anything I left some shit out. Here's my alternate list. 1. X-Men 2. Uncanny X-men 2. New X-Men 3. Astonishing X-Men 4. X-men: Classics 5. The Unfunny X-Cons 6. X-Men Adventures 7. Kitty Pride & Wolverine 8. Generation X 9. The New Mutants 10. X-Force 11. X-Factor 12. Excalibur 13. Exiles 14. The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix 15. X-Statix 16. X-Men 2099 17. X-Nation 2099 17. X-Men manga 18. X-TREEEEEEME X-Men 19. Wolverine 20. Daken 21. Weapon X: 23 22. Sentinel 23. Ultimate X-Men 24. Magneto 25. Mutant X 26. Deadpool 27. Cable 28. Alpha Flight 29. X-Club 30. District X 31. Age of Apocalypse 32. Longshot 33. Madrox 34. Morlocks 35. NYX 36. Pint-Sized X-Babies 37. Magik 38. Juggernaut 39. Tales of Muir Island 40. Fallen Angels 41. X-Corporation 42. X-Men: Street Squad 43. Omega Gang 44. Xtra Special Class: The Adventures of Beak & The Stupids 45. Hellions 46. Stepford Cuckoos 47. X-Terminators 48. Xavier Institute 49. X-Patrol 50. X-People 51. Boom Boom & Box : Jam Masters 52. Meanyquest: Chronicles of Maggott's surviving stomach slug
APANCHALYPSE RETURNS Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 1. Spider-Man 2. Amazing Spider-Man 3. Ultimate Spider-Man 4. Spectacular Spider-Man 5. Web of Spider-Man 6. Peter Parker: Spider-Man 7. Sensational Spider-Man 8. Untold Tales of Spider-Man You get the picture.
Iambaytor Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I love that DC's list of essentials included a Juggalo Harley Quinn, a team led by Jason Todd, and a racist Supergirl with knee-windows on her costume yet they did away with Secret Six and Power Girl. Ah well, at least they brought back Ressurection Man and Batgirl. 1.The Amazing Spider-Man 2.Uncanny X-Men 3.Agent of Atlas 4.The Incredible Hercules 5.The One and Only Avengers Team Because There Are Totally Not 5 Others 6.Thunderbolts 7.The Incredible Hulks 8.The Adjective Moon Knight 9.Something Something Something Ghost Rider 10.Captain Britain and MI-13 11.The Savage Land (Ka-Zaar, Devil Dinosaur, Moon Boy, all that) 12.The Black Panther 13.The Fantastic Four (fuck-a some future foundation) 14.Captain America 15.The Mighty Thor 16.Death's Head: Not that fucking Death's Head 2 bullshit, the original one. 17.The Slightly Less Prickish Now Iron-Man 18.Dr. Strange 19.Man-Thing 20.Howard the Duck 21.Punisher 22.Tomb of Dracula (Dracula is probably the greatest villain in anything ever) 23.Werewolf By Night 24.Deadpool 25.Dead of Night (rotate in Simon Garth/Son of Satan/Devil Slayer/etc.) 26.Daredevil 27.Venom (I'd like to see Eddie, but Flash is better than those other assholes) 28.Marvel Two-In-One 29.The Black Knight (Marvel needs a mideval title to compete with Demon Knights) 30.Marvel Western 31.Guardians of the Galaxy 32.The Silver Surfer 33.2099 34.She Hulk 35.Nextwave:Nextwavier 36.Marvelman (I want to see him brought into the universe proper) 37.Namor the Sub-Mariner 38.The Irrational Adventures of Slapstick 39.Marvel Zombies Fucking Kill the Ultimate Universe Forever, No Seriously 40.Mary Jane (I am not kidding) 41.Wolverine 42.Rom the Space Knight (SELL MARVEL THE FUCKING RIGHTS!) 43.Dazzler (also not kidding, but only if it's the kitschy 70s version) 44.Marvel Team-Up 45.Heroes For Hire 46.Ignore the movie and put them in the proper Marvel Universe, would be great 47.Nick Fury and the Howling Commandos 48.The Master of Kung Fu (Shang Chi) 49.Power Man and Iron Fist 50.The Defenders 51.Giant Man and The Wasp (I just want to see more pulpy science! type stories) 52.Machine Man
Thelogan Posted June 15, 2011 Author Posted June 15, 2011 I like your inclusion of ROM. I thought about that. I didn't know there was a legal issue around it.
Iambaytor Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Rom is fucking amazing, but the name and design belong to Parker Brothers who released ONE FUCKING FIGURE in 1980 and nothing has been done with it since, but Marvel doesn't have the copyright anymore hence why no ROM omnibus and even an issue of Power Man and Iron Fist that can't be reprinted. Now the entire character and story surrounding him are 100% Marvel's, they just can't use the name ROM and the armor that they used before. However, any attempts to get around that have been handled horribly. I can live with Marvel losing GI Joe and Transformers and even Conan (it's debatable whether he's public domain, he SHOULD be but for some reason there's people who have staked a claim to him just like Sherlock Holmes) They do still own Micronauts and Dazzler though.
Thelogan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 How does Dazzler fit in? Was she a rollerskate mascot? I wonder if this is the same reason we don't have anAtari Force reboot.
Iambaytor Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Dazzler was supposed to be a disco superhero and there were supposed to be albums released of some poor singer who can't break into the business her singing but the deal fell through and it's just an oddity now. I can think of several very valid reasons why Atari force never came back. However, I genuinely want a reboot of Rex the Wonder Dog, but only if they can give him that same vacant star he had in the old books.
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 ahahaha logan's list has x-23 and xtreeeeme x-men, no cap or daredevil? CREDIBILITY LOST baytor's list id buy a great deal from. no surprise there, but im hoping you saw my post of marvel's solicits; ghost rider's got at least another mini coming (going?).
Thelogan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 Oh, the second list? The joke list? Yeah, good point.
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 ...we both know you'dve left cap off. curious where you'dve left DD though.
Thelogan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 After painstaking research, I've discovered they were at #5 and #14, respectively.
APANCHALYPSE RETURNS Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Are we not amused by my all Spidey list or do I have to come up with 52 different Spider-Man titles? Cause I will...
Thelogan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 Do the 52. It's a good time. I'll even bump my Juggernaut solo title and let him have a book in my X-Men list, provided he accepts the fact that he's a mutant.
Iambaytor Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 It's worth noting that Number 46 on my list is supposed to say "Men In Black", if they went back to white Jay or even a black Jay that looks and acts nothing like Will Smith and put them in the Marvel Universe with the same dark campy tone I think it would be great. Also, I'm not so sure about the Ghost Rider Mini, as much as I hate "Superman Jr" characters I hate "Superman But With Tits" characters even more. Maybe I'd care less if they hadn't just finished a kick-ass run, or if Johnny Blaze didn't get the shaft in Shadowland, or if there weren't 3 fucking Ghost Riders already (technically 4+), or maybe if it didn't look to be terribly written. But yeah, I am not hopefuly for the future of the Ghost Rider brand. I am also quite passionate in doing that Marvel Zombies Kills the Ultimate Universe Book. It doesn't have to be zombies, it's just that Ultimate Marvel started out interestingly mediocre and is now actively terrible and it needs to go the way of Malibu. Hell they even like ending Ultimate Stories with shitloads of obligatory and gratuitous deaths, lets just do Ultimatum on a universal scale.
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 juggs still denies being a mutie, doesnt he? baytor - i totally ignored the tits, fair call. also, i would argue the Ultimate U was hot shit the first year or two (at least); you gotta remember at the time that spidey/x-books were both in the shitter, and avengers was non-existent to most people. USM was mostly solid the whole way through; UXM was good until...im not sure, maybe around kirkman's run but i know i regretted sticking with it somewhere around issues in the 80s/90s. if jeph loeb never touched the ultimates, it wouldve had an awesome run. even ultimate team-up was fun back then. ...your point totally stands for where the books are these days, though.
Thelogan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 juggs still denies being a mutie, doesnt he? Juggs isn't a mutant in 616, that's why he's the first on the chopping block for Spider-Man. I liked the first couple of years worth of U X-men and U Spider-Man, the first Ultimates run, and even he first handful of U FF books. Ultimate X-Men especially was a lot better than anything else going on in 616 at the time.
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 not love for Ultimates 2? it wasnt volume 1, but i wasnt the horrendous fall-off 3 was. thoughts?
Iambaytor Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Ultimate Spider-Man was pretty much universally great, except (unironically) for the Ultimate Clone Saga. X-Men was fucking awesome, especially that really fucking dark story arc with Proteus. Ultimates was good in spite of the fact that it seemed to actually be trying to make me hate it (I have a feeling somebody was holding Millar back from going full retard) and book 2 turned out pretty good on the whole also in spite of how fucking stupid it was and how unlikeable every single character was. Loeb gets a bad rap (and he did write a shitty book with art that was painful to look at) but I think Millar would've done the same. With a few other exceptions, it was pretty much all shit and now that we have nuanced stories in the 616 we can file Ultimate away as an interesting oddity like Mutant X, 1602, 2099, and Age of Apocalypse.
The NZA Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 which is funny, cause i recall UXM pump-faking an effort to ape AOA (i think it was kirkman?) than thankfully backing down. agreed @ Millar, and i know clone saga didnt go awesome but it was interesting when it was going, with carna-gwen. for me, i was really disappointed by Ultimate Deadpool - not to say there's a great angle to go with him that's not already been done, but fuck, go read Blockbuster (great UXM arc) or that solo issue i adore with and the kid in the cave, and then read that shit. i might be lumping it together with mojoworld in my head, but it was the beginning of the end for me; when cable was revealed as future-wolvy i was basically neutral for not really being invested at that point. ultimate FF had its moments, with ellis and the like. but a whole lot was forgettable, and about 90% of the min-series (ultimate war, ultimate nightmare, U DD etc) were largely forgettable for me.
Iambaytor Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Ultimate Fantastic Four was occasionally amazing, but it was the most hit and miss of any book I have ever read. I also liked Ultimate Deadpool, even if he was really just Age of Apocalypse Deadpool (Deadman Wade for those playing at home) as virulent racist. I like having my Deadpools stand in sharp contrast to each other instead of being lame ass bullshit like the Deadpool Corps (to be fair, Liefeld's art was part of the problem with that book)
Rexorcist Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 01. Spider-Man 02. Avengers 03. Thor 04. Captain America 05. Falcon 06. Iron Man 07. Incredible Hulk 08. Defenders 09. Dr. Strange 10. Silver Surfer 11. Black Panther 12. X-Men 13. Wolverine 14. Fantastic Four 15. She-Hulk 16. Power Pack 17. Invaders 18. Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. 19. Marvel Team-Up (featuring the Thing) 20. Squadron Supreme 21. Tales of Asgard 22. Hawkeye and Mockingbird (we’re bringing her back) 23. Ms. Marvel 24. Dr. Doom (that’s right – a villain gets his own book) 25. Sub-Mariner 26. The Black Knight 27. DP7 28. Beast and Wonder Man 29. Spider-Man and the Human Torch 30. Alpha Flight 31. Incredible Hercules 32. Blade 33. Captain Mar-Vell 34. Ghost Rider 35. Black Widow 36. Conan (the Barbarian, not the comedian) 37. Daredevil 38. Dracula 39. Epic Illustrated 40. The Eternals 41. G.I. Joe 42. Power Man and Iron Fist 43. Swamp Thing 44. New Mutants 45. Howling Commandos 46. Punisher 47. Star Trek (pick a vintage) 48. What If? 49. Amazing Fantasy (need more anthology series) 50. Indiana Jones 51. John Carter, Warlord of Mars 52. Millie the Model
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