The Witness Posted February 22, 2002 Share Posted February 22, 2002 Seems the poor admin never got done "processing"... Western films > Gangster films > ? Irish Cowboy ||10-25-2001 ||03:35 AM| |TheIrishCowboy@hotmail.com| One neednt look hard to see the transition. Legendary director Kurosawa - the original asian director, and sorry timbo but far more genuis than your boy John Woo - directed 3 well known films. 1) Ran - Japanese take on Shakespear's "King Lear", excellent battle scenes. On its way here in a bit from Netflix if anyone's interested. 2) Seven Samurai - Great flick about saving a desolate town, later turned into "The Magnificent Seven", a great western with Stevie McQueen, Yul Brener, James Caan, Charles Bronson etc. 3) Yojimbo - Original "lone wolf badass" story, later became Eastwood's incredible "Fistull of Dollars", then Bruce Willis Vs Christopher Walken in "Last Man Standing", a gangster flick. Ignoring all this tho, Ive finally figured it out - their strong similarities come in the themes. A strong, independent figure, standin by a moral code in the face of impossible odds and alla that. The character is not always a staunch hero - the good ones have him as almost indifferent (Eastwood's Man with No Name trilogy), etc. I used to get the feelin of a link when watchin gangster flicks, i think it was m'boy Pacino in "Carlito's Way" that really made me think this too - i loved that flick, and couldnt help but feel it was a step or too away from a western. Today, it happened again, watchin Kevin Costern & Sean Connery mount up as "The Untouchables" to take down Al Capone (De Niro, who else?). Shotguns, cavalry ride an all. Twas a fine moment. My question is - where from there? Some action flicks like Die Hard feel western, but modern action is still tryin to recover from the 80's flux of crap-ass Segal, Van Dame, Lundgren, etc. Gangster flicks still come and go, but what else is in that vein? I mean, war flicks arent nearly as prevelant, and good ones are much harder to find (Didnt see "Pearl Harbor" but it looked like it tossed some lame romance into it, at least we had "Saving Private Ryan"). Anyway, there might come a time in the next generation or so when gangster films will die down a bit (if you think that theyre on a low, go to New York. Good luck findin a corner that dont sell Pacino "Scarface" pictures), and when they become like westerns are now, or at least the good ones -vastly underappreciated pieces of american art - then what, what genre comes next? bacchus ||10-25-2001| |12:25 PM| |firstname.lastname@example.org| ok ok ok that was a good rant ...... but u seem to miss something, notice how in all the genras:western, ganster etc...something always happends in them! ................ ...............The mentor dies!!!!! Irish Cowboy ||10-25-2001| |02:30 PM| |TheIrishCowboy@hotmail.com| Grrr....Obi-Wan, Que-gon, any Connery character, sometimes even the Duke...wait, i got one! Donnie Brasco, i think Pacino got sold out & went to the big house, but i dont remember him dyin, and he was a helluva mentor! PS Anyone else got ideas on the next progressive genre? yahve ||10-25-2001| |05:25 PM| Rant read. (processing information) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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