Newtype Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 IGN’s Top 100 RPGs 100 - Ys Book I & II 99 - Lunar: Eternal Blue 98 - Shadow Hearts: Covenant 97 - Final Fantasy VIII 96 - Phantasy Star 95 - The Legend of Dragoon 94 - Vagrant Story 93 - Tales of Phatansia 92 - Diablo III 91 - Fable II 90 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 89 - Fallout: New Vegas 88 - Final Fantasy IX 87 - Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals 86 - Shadowrun 85 - Breath of Fire III 84 - Kingdom Hearts 83 - Fire Emblem 82 - Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven 81 - Dragon Warrior VII 80 - Dungeon Master 79 - Icewind Dale 2 78 - The Witcher 2 77 - Tales of Symphonia 76 - Illusion of Gaia 75 - Front Mission 3 74 - Wizardry 8 73 - Final Fantasy 72 - Grandia 2 71 - The Bard's Tale 70 - Demon's Souls 69 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 68 - Kingdom Hearts 2 67 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 66 - Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time 65 - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door 64 - Final Fantasy X 63 - Skies of Arcadia 62 - The World Ends With You 61 - Chrono Cross 60 - EVE Online 59 - Phantasy Star IV 58 - Freedom Force 57 - Mass Effect 2 56 - Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together 55 - Monster Hunter Tri 54 - Neverwinter Nights 2 53 - Ultima VII 52 - Odin Sphere 51 - Wild Arms 50 - Golden Sun 49 - Dragon Quest V 48 - Tales of Destiny 47 - Xenogears 46 - Pool of Radiance 45 - Disgaea 44 - Suikoden II 43 - Valkyria Chronicles 42 - Lunar: Silver Star Story 41 - Xenoblade Chronicles 40 - Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen 39 - Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss 38 - Phantasy Star II 37 - Guild Wars 36 - Shining Force II 35 - Pokemon Black/White 34 - Fallout 33 - Ultima Online 32 - The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind 31 - Neverwinter Nights 30 - Jade Empire 29 - Dragon Warrior 28 - Fallout 2 27 - Dragon Quest VIII 26 - Ultima IV 25 - Deus Ex 24 - Baldur's Gate 23 - Phantasy Star Online 22 - Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 21 - Super Mario RPG 20 - Everquest 19 - System Shock 2 18 - Dark Souls 17 - Earthbound 16 - Diablo 15 - Secret of Mana 14 - Final Fantasy Tactics 13 - Planescape Torment 12 - Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 11 - Final Fantasy VII 10 - Fallout 3 9 - Mass Effect 1 8 - World of Warcraft 7 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 6 - Diablo 2 5 - Final Fantasy IV 4 - Pokemon Red/Blue 3 - Baldur's Gate 2 2 - Chrono Trigger 1 - Final Fantasy VI So much wrong with that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I can't argue with Numbers 1 and 2 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceManML Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 They put Lunar eternal blue at 99?! Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiis558 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Neverwinter Nights WORSE than Jade Empire....go fuck yourselves! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Games that should not be in the top 50 41 - Xenoblade Chronicles 32 - The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind 22 - Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 18 - Dark Souls 12 - Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 11 - Final Fantasy VII 10 - Fallout 3 9 - Mass Effect 1 8 - World of Warcraft 7 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 6 - Diablo 2 Meanwhile the much better games are low on the list 99 - Lunar: Eternal Blue 90 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 70 - Demon's Souls 69 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 44 - Suikoden II 43 - Valkyria Chronicles 42 - Lunar: Silver Star Story 17 - Earthbound Edited September 15, 2012 by Newtype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 They're gonna put Final Fantasy VII high on the list, it's just an evil you have to live with. Be thankful it wasn't number 1. MMOs shouldn't even make the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiis558 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 So Lunar SSS is better than ff7 how? I guess if you like less character evolution, more linear gameplay, worse graphics and a debatebly worse story I can see that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 havent played Xenoblade yet, but Diablo 2, Dark Souls etc arent at all bad games man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiis558 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I haven't played Xenoblade either, but Newt saying it doesn't deserve 41 (in a bad way) kinda makes me lose hope for it...any particular reasons for that assessment Newt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_U_SPACECOWBOY Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 They're gonna put Final Fantasy VII high on the list, it's just an evil you have to live with. Be thankful it wasn't number 1. I'm plesantly surprised it didn't even make the top 10. I have to sign off on this list based solely on 1 and 2. Right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I don't think I have played enough diverse rpg's to make a good list, but I do know my number 1 slot belongs to Final Fantasy 9. Don't get the hate for 7 though. Are there any good reasons besides it hasn't aged well and overrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 those are pretty much them - great world and art direction at the time, but the hook for many people was mindblowing graphics (not seen anymore) and cloud/sephiroth which has kinda been milked dry in the years since. for me, the fall-off was that it kept (started?) this trend of having too many side-characters that don't really get addressed. i think the reaction is mostly because it's treated like the best of the series, so yeah, kinda. ...still waiting on newt's reasons on Xenoblade too, literally the first negative thing ive heard about it. gunsmith should chime in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I never played 7 in its heyday so I'll admit I wasn't there for the zeitgeist, however I played through most of the game on my PS2 a few years ago and I'm still sitting on disc 3 trying to find enough fucks to give so I can finish it. I've played all the games up to 12 (sans 11, cause fuck MMOs, especially console MMOs) and 7 was the only one where I never found the desire to explore, the game just felt like a mess and I found myself tapping the x button just to get through long exchanges rather than reading through the dialogue to get the whole picture. I've play 6 all the way through 5 times now, I played 4 through twice and halfway a third, I played 10 twice, 9 three times, 8 twice, I haven't finished the others but that was mostly due to the dodgy emulated copies I had that were questionably translated (half my copy of Final Fantasy 5 had "translate later" in boxes throughout the game and my copies of 1 and 3 were filled with "hilarious" mistranslations, rape jokes, poop jokes, and ghetto slang.) Point is, 7 just plays pretty mediocre and all the things that people prize about the game (Sephiroth after you actually meet him, most of the characters, especially Vincet) just aren't near as awesome as everybody wants me to think they are. If nothing else it definitely didn't deserve a movie and at least 2 spinoff games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 So Lunar SSS is better than ff7 how? I guess if you like less character evolution, more linear gameplay, worse graphics and a debatebly worse story I can see that... Are you really saying that FFVII had a better cast of character, storyline and better looking graphics? I'm only about 20 hours into Xenoblade and so far it's just an average game. I just feel that only reason this game got so much hype was because it a big RPG for the Wii. CONS: The combat is somewhat like FFXII but with less options. Whats the point of giving me a big open space to explore when all I find is just empty space. High level monsters everywhere which kills the thrill of the hunt. PROS: The music The characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_U_SPACECOWBOY Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Don't get the hate for 7 though. Are there any good reasons besides it hasn't aged well and overrated? I used to say that Final Fantasy fans broke down into two groups: Those that thought VI was the best in the series, and those that though VII was the best. Not that I ever thought VII was bad, it was a gateway RPG for SO MANY people, a game that greatly contributed to Sony's domination of two console cycles, and influenced, nah metaphorized the entire genre. VII was extremely well timed, and struck a chord with so many people, and appealed to many who where not and never have been fans of JRPGs. I think most people who were familiar with the pedigree of FF and other JRPGs realize that VII is extremely overrated. Edited September 19, 2012 by C_U_SPACECOWBOY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitant Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why is final fantasy 8 on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 See I totally get the hate for 8 I still like it though. And I understand what you guys are saying about 7, but it was the first 3d final fantasy, at least first real 3d one (airship flying don't count). That said it definitely doesn't deserve top spot, but it does deserve a high place on the list. Where it stands up there is fair I think. That and it's a ranked list.... those shouldn't be taken any sort of seriously ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_U_SPACECOWBOY Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 And I understand what you guys are saying about 7, but it was the first 3d final fantasy, at least first real 3d one (airship flying don't count). That said it definitely doesn't deserve top spot, but it does deserve a high place on the list. Where it stands up there is fair I think. That and it's a ranked list.... those shouldn't be taken any sort of seriously ever. Totally agree with you on that, as I was mentioning in my last post. The game had HUGE crossover appeal and led to a JRPG renaissance. It's a huge part of not only Final Fantasy and RPG history, but the history of games in general. Its just not the greatest RPG ever. Given it's influence and trailblazing it definately deserves to be up there. I agree with it being just outside the top 10. I'm just surprised (plesantly so it wasn't in the top 5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 See I totally get the hate for 8 I still like it though. And I understand what you guys are saying about 7, but it was the first 3d final fantasy, at least first real 3d one (airship flying don't count). That said it definitely doesn't deserve top spot, but it does deserve a high place on the list. Where it stands up there is fair I think. That and it's a ranked list.... those shouldn't be taken any sort of seriously ever. I guess part of my problem is perspective to where it was in the series. Final Fantasy 6 was probably one of the most ambitious RPGs ever made, it really tested the limits of what could be done with 32-bit RPG games at the time. And I suppose they tried the same thing with 7 but they just seemed to be aping what 6 was without capturing any of its real charm. It just falls flat in comparison. The story was a mess, the world didn't feel like a fun place to explore (and some places it was just tedious like that big field of snow with the flags, fuck that place), most of the characters were a waste, and it was convoluted. It's like they tried to go big but they just weren't able to capture the heart of 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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