The NZA Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Ly was right, this warrants its own topic! so here goes, this should be fun. To those of us who read a lotta comics, this fight was one of the biggest upsets in the 90s event. It was a popularity contest, and really, even Wolverine wouldnt win against Batman in that venue. But a lot of fans who arent familiar/give Cap his due argued it was fair, because everyone likes their boy. I stand that Batman is out of his league against Cap, and itd be a fun fight but Daredevil would've been a much more fair/even fight. Still, last night i had the distinct pleasure of having 3 hondonian bat-fans bash the Sentinel of Liberty without knowing a thing about him. Granted, gunsmith doesnt really read comics, and arch is a well known hippie communist. However, on occasion, bishop can be reasoned with, and hopefully a few of you can also & will enjoy this. Strength/Durability Due to Silver-Age definitions of "peak human", older fans have left Cap with this term. I was hoping showing bish "dude can lift 1100 pounds" would suffice, but bishop, bless his heart, is lifting more & more himself at the gym each week and perhaps has loftier goals than id given him credit for. The truth is, Cap (like his Ultimate persona) would be considered meta-human, or just beyond normal human strength/ability. Most fans saw him punching Iron Man's armor in Civil War, and said armor - built to withstand missile blasts - bending. Granted, an indestructible shield doesn't hurt matters, but there's numerous panels of just fists hitting said armor that i can dig up, for starters. Additionally, he can take far, far more abuse than Bats' frail human body can. There's numerous examples of him going toe-to-toe with all manner of cosmic entities, but i think we'll just leave it here, with him being shot in the head and surviving. (for those wondering why this didnt happen after Civil War: he blocked a sniper shot (to save an officer) and took 3 slugs to the chest, point blank. While this normally wouldn't be enough, he had "power dampeners" on at the time.) this is what cap does to overrated rich-boys. Batman, on the other hand, can clearly be broken like old china by a souped-up Lucha Libre. yup. let's not forget that time he fractured his skull cause someone cut his tagline. clearly on the same level. Speed Bats is traditionally very fast, partly due to his various gadgets. Steve, on the other hand, has both jedi-like vision and reflexes. additionally, cap can dodge bullets at point blank range. durability's not his only high mark; his endurance is well beyond that of humans. for those not keeping score, he's hauling ass, carrying someone through a warzone at 60 MPH here. Experience As far as fighting styles go, its kind of a wash. Both get that weird "know every martial art known to man" crap somehow. Both are quite strategic and known to use the terrain to their advantage, etc. But how much combat have they seen? Which one of them has had to fight the Hulk solo? Batman has been fighting purse-snatchers and various psychologically damaged villains for decades now (and more powerful beings with a team of gods in the Justice League). Captain America was fighting & killing Nazis in World War II, and has seen a few wars since. His enemies aren't street thugs; they're armed & trained soldiers and terrorists. By most accounts, he was frozen after WW II until sometime in the late 60's/early 70's (depending on what you read), which still gives him nearly 50 years of doing things like punching Hitler in the face. yup, that's who some of you voted against. why exactly DO you hate america, anyway? that's right. even galactus knows the score: cap has used guns, and like han, will shoot first. batman couldve used some help against darkseid. note: cap is also hardcore. Conclusion captain america: climbing statues without grappling hooks or capes since '41 The more you look at it, the more you realize this fight isn't even close. Batman is the peak human mind/body as a vigilante; Captain America is obviously a metahuman soldier who the gov't has spent years trying to recreate for a reason. on the left, captain america vs Thanos (and death) after the entire Marvel universe fell. on the right, what batman spent his time doing during the golden/half of the silver age, more or less. ....and finally, just for good measure: even batman himself admits that he can't win against Captain America. if this doesnt seal the deal, honestly, you probably defend the movie Batman & Robin at parties. ...straight from the horse's mouth. Also, through the magic of the internets, you can see how this fight goes down both and *please note: while cap will outfight and outlast bruce, im not denying the power of bats to lose, regroup, come back another day with a plan and take on the avengers or something wacky because he's the goddamn batman etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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