DKS01 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 What I care about is America touting him as some fucking golden child and then he goes and breaks the law. I would say that's rather America's problem then, no? If people wouldn't put their heroes on such pedestals, they wouldn't have to worry about them falling off. As for him representing his country, well, I'd say hypocrisy would be about par for the course. America isn't perfect, why should we expect it's representatives to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmithx Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 all this over pot.... amazing how stuipd crazy people get over the smallest of things. btw smoking pot makes him no more liking to be doping for sports then would drinking, thats just a stuipd comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Alls i can say is, how many people by the age of 23 haven't smoked pot. He's doing something nearly everyone has done. He just got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKS01 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Alls i can say is, how many people by the age of 23 haven't smoked pot. Heh. I'm 27, never smoked pot, or anything else for that matter. Don't care if other people do, just not something I'm even interested in trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thats cool, i'm just saying, lots of people by that age have. The fact you've omitted the last half of my post makes you look like you've more of a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKS01 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thats cool, i'm just saying, lots of people by that age have. The fact you've omitted the last half of my post makes you look like you've more of a point Just noting that there it's not THAT uncommon, afterall. Here we are, on a board with a somewhat smallish group of regularly active posters, yet there's one right here in your very midst(and who doesn't claim to be straightedge, or vehemently oppose it no less) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Just noting that there it's not THAT uncommon, afterall. Here we are, on a board with a somewhat smallish group of regularly active posters, yet there's one right here in your very midst(and who doesn't claim to be straightedge, or vehemently oppose it no less) Thats cool. I kinda wish at times i'd never smoked it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnotizinChikns Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 No matter what other people claim sports or other types of celebrities are or aren't...they are still human and they still make mistakes. Sometimes really stupid ones, but it's not like he's out to diddle some kids, the guy smoked a bowl. The DUI on the other hand peeves me out more, drinking and driving? not okay. especially when you make enough money to hire a driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Got this in my inbox this morning. A Letter I’d Like To See (But Won’t) brilliant, through and through. this is the very definition of a victimless crime, and stupefies me even more when i try to process when/why olympic athletes became role models. maybe if your kid is practicing that sport, but that's about it. "number of people killed by marijuana use throughout time: zero." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 uhm, there were 2 seperate marijuana related deaths in Seminole County last year. One was a bad batch that sent a kid into a coma, then died a week later due to the chemicals in it blew up the kids brain, and another where there was a DUI crash that killed 2 total. The at fault DUI driver was under the influence of Marijuana. This is the tiny county of Seminole alone... so Bill Hicks needs to brush up on his research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 uhm, there were 2 seperate marijuana related deaths in Seminole County last year. One was a bad batch that sent a kid into a coma, then died a week later due to the chemicals in it blew up the kids brain, and another where there was a DUI crash that killed 2 total. The at fault DUI driver was under the influence of Marijuana. This is the tiny county of Seminole alone... so Bill Hicks needs to brush up on his research. Bill Hicks will do no such thing as he is no longer among we living. Yes, marijuana has been responsible indirectly for many deaths. But it wasn't the marijuana that killed those people, it was the car and whatever the marijuana was laced with. The point is that unlike alcohol, cocaine, caffeine, Viagra, and a million other things, there is no such thing as a lethal dose of marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 so those who die from cancer who have only smoked marijuana and not cigs... dont count? Im all for legalizing the shit, but it is still deadly. The vehicle that killed the people was respectively the pot... otherwise the car vehicle would have never done it, so its a lame ass argument. That is like saying the person didnt kill the person, the bullet in the gun did. and I know who bill hicks is, revert to the BILLY thread, for a reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 so those who die from cancer who have only smoked marijuana and not cigs... dont count? Im all for legalizing the shit, but it is still deadly. The vehicle that killed the people was respectively the pot... otherwise the car vehicle would have never done it, so its a lame ass argument. That is like saying the person didnt kill the person, the bullet in the gun did. and I know who bill hicks is, revert to the BILLY thread, for a reference. But there's a difference between a person dying of alcohol poisoning and dying in a car accident. Alcohol is the cause of death in the alcohol poisoning. If I get drunk and drive hit you with my car and kill you, will the cause of death be listed as 'Alcohol'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 this is the very definition of a victimless crime, and stupefies me even more when i try to process when/why olympic athletes became role models. maybe if your kid is practicing that sport, but that's about it. Because the guy dedicated himself to something and accomplished huge feats at his young age. He's still a role model because he still won gold medals. Now I don't understand people who treat him like Jesus in a pool and somehow think he should be flawless to be a role model. No one's flawless. Admire the guy for the things he's done that are admirable, which - as far as we know - far outweigh the stupid stuff he's done. Yes, marijuana has been responsible indirectly for many deaths. But it wasn't the marijuana that killed those people, it was the car and whatever the marijuana was laced with. The point is that unlike alcohol, cocaine, caffeine, Viagra, and a million other things, there is no such thing as a lethal dose of marijuana. I'm with Sig on that one, that's just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonfire Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I dont understand people getting up in arms about celebrities and public figures smoking pot unless theyre politicians who vehemently oppose it. In that case its just funny and gratifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I dont think anyone is up in arms or furious... as some people keep thinking. I just think its wrong, but my heart rate never skipped a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I'm with Sig on that one, that's just dumb. how so, though? you cant OD on weed. you cant die from its withdrawal (like alcohol). it is smoked, but by itself, i dont know how closely related to cheech youd have to be to induce lung/etc cancer, not saying its impossible but its far less likely than cigarettes. its not even a stimulant like, say, coke - abusers arent known to start fights, act out etc generally speaking. controlled substance though it may be, its about as close to harmless as one can get. i know its not the point of this thread, but again, we're defining a victimless crime here. if it wasnt for the social stigma, this woudlnt even be discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 a large portion of weed bought and sold / and caught by law enforcement isnt pure weed, its the mixed shit, so that factors in with the quilities of the weed. People buy weed, and get all sorts of 'types' of weed. It is still just weed that they are smoking, so all the types of weed are relative. The kid who died last year from the weed, bought weed from his regular dealer, didnt know the difference. So laced weed or not, its still a weed death. Any smoke inhaled can cause cancers, being weed cigs second hand or environmental types. Was a guy who only ever smoked weed, got throat cancer from the shit. "pure' weed, never smoked cigs or anything else. He is still alive if I remember correctly, but he got cancer from it. So this talk that weed is harmless is just ignorant. It isnt as harmful as russian roulette, but there is still harm from it. The most commonly accepted effects of weed, from weed users is Impaired thinking, mood, memory, and coordination. That sounds kinda harmful to me. http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/harmful...f-marijuana.htm Marijuana (THC) is an extremely powerful and pleasurable intoxicant. It affects, alters, and damages brain cells controlling thinking, emotion, pleasure, coordination, mood and memory. The pituitary gland is also damaged which regulates hunger, thirst, blood pressure, sexual behavior, and release of sex hormones. Clogged synapses, brain damage and addiction Marijuana accumulates in the microscopic spaces between nerve cells in the brain called "synapses." This clogging interferes by slowing and impairing transfer critical information. Long term use causes the brain to stop production of brain chemicals necessary to "feel good" - a negative feedback condition. And, the user becomes chemically addicted to marijuana. The harmful effects of marijuana on the Heart Speeds up heartbeat as much as 50%, increases blood pressure, and poses great risk to those with hypertension and heart disease. The harmful effects of marijuana on the Endocrine System Marijuana damages the network of glands, organs, and hormones involved in growth and development, energy levels, and reproduction. Organs and glands affected: pituitary gland thyroid gland stomach duodenum pancreas adrenal glands testis The harmful effects of marijuana on the Reproductive System males and females Marijuana use can decrease and degenerate sperm, sperm count, movement, and cause lowered sex drive. Females can have egg damage, suppression of ovulation, disrupt menstrual cycles, and alteration of hormone levels. Regular use during pregnancy can lower birth weight and cause abnormalities similar to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (small head, irritability, poor growth and development. Can destroy the number of chromosomes, resulting in cell abnormalities and impaired function. Other affects on the central nervous system distortions of perceptions, thinking and reality Difficulty in forming concepts and thoughts Poor concentration Mental confusion Loss of motivation Wide mood swings Aggression and hostility Depression, anxiety and paranoia The harmful effects of marijuana on the Eyes Sleep looking, blood-shot eyes with dilated pupils. The harmful effects of marijuana on the Throat Irritates membranes of the esophagus; increases chance of developing cancer of larynx and esophagus. The harmful effects of marijuana on the Lungs Significant damage and destruction of the air sacs of the lungs, reducing the lungs ability to bring oxygen and remove carbon dioxide - Emphysema. Causes bronchial tubes to be inflamed, thickened and to produce more mucus; resulting in narrowing of the air passages - Chronic Bronchitis. Marijuana smoke has twice as much "tar" as cigarette smoke and significantly increases chance of lung cancer, inflammation and infection. ======================================================= no harm in weed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 a large portion of weed bought and sold / and caught by law enforcement isnt pure weed, its the mixed shit, so that factors in with the quilities of the weed. People buy weed, and get all sorts of 'types' of weed. It is still just weed that they are smoking, so all the types of weed are relative. we're playing chicken & the egg here, but if it wasnt a controlled substance, itd be taxed, and a legit business like booze & cigarettes, rather than a black market with the CIA's hand occasionally in it. the off case of it being spiked with something else woudlnt even be an issue. i tend to think the notion of weed being spiked is played up, cause its not a wise move. you're not gonna get coke in there 'cause it costs way more; youre not likely to put bleach or such shit in cause it ruins your base of sales. i can see it being watered down, like booze, for cost effectiveness, but the rest of it sounds like urban legends or people doing things wrong. there's millions of users who never encounter this. The kid who died last year from the weed, bought weed from his regular dealer, didnt know the difference. So laced weed or not, its still a weed death. Any smoke inhaled can cause cancers, being weed cigs second hand or environmental types. Was a guy who only ever smoked weed, got throat cancer from the shit. "pure' weed, never smoked cigs or anything else. He is still alive if I remember correctly, but he got cancer from it. So this talk that weed is harmless is just ignorant. It isnt as harmful as russian roulette, but there is still harm from it. for posterity: the second-hand thing is actually contested, great episode of bullshit about that. you're pointing at one kid with nothing linking to him, sig. we're talking about the most used controlled substance out there; i doubt many americans can say they havent known people who've used it, much less themselves. i havent, you may not've, but more folks ive known have used it at some point than not. im saying, the legality behind it is largely just behavior modification. The most commonly accepted effects of weed, from weed users is Impaired thinking, mood, memory, and coordination. That sounds kinda harmful to me. you just listed a small portion of what booze does, excpet there's a laundry list more. again, you can OD on booze (plenty of kids do), it can often lead to violence, and the withdrawal can kill you. those're huge. Aggression and hostility a lot of what you pointed to is fair, as youve said, most things smoked/inhaled lead to such effects over time. but this one? i call shenanigans. traditionally, weed has to be mixed with other shit to illicit this response. no harm in weed? see the chart of my above post; any vice can lead to harm. anything at all can, in excess. jax - and later, my - argument was that it doesnt likely kill you, and when it does, as seen here, its so rare as to be noteworthy. not arguing legality here, arguing victimless crime. your reaction here's based on law & social stigma, which is fine but you're still kinda reaching nonetheless. cigs & hooch are uncontrolled substances that do infinitely more harm, and that's before we even touch on pharmaceuticals. anyway, dude's not a hero, and he's really not done shit wrong, my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have never used it, and even if ever legalized, probably never will... that being said, I think it should be legalized. I believe that it is on the same playing field as alcohol. However, Phelps represents the United States of America, on the world stage. That is where he is wrong. I've caught weed on kids at the juvie center, and just thrown it away instead of a VOP and sent them to the JAC, all depending on their attitude mind you. So, that shows that I don't really give a shit about weed, however, someone who represents my country on the world stage, and breaks the law... he did something wrong. If he doesnt want to represent a country and hold medals for said country... and wants to work for 30k a year at a fucking computer store, then gopher it, full speed ahead, and smoke all the mary jane you want. dont represent my country and then do this shit bc you are a fucking idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 eh, i guess. still feels chicken-and-the-egg cause it shouldnt be the issue that it is, you know? but you're right in that the reality that we exist in is that it is an issue, and to me, he shouldntve let himself get caught. that was indeed stupid. whoever leaked that photo, i hope he throws him in a pool and uh, swims the fuck out of him? im not certain. i know dolphins can fuck you the fuck up, so he could always do some dolphin shit. i guess the point is that he placed himself in this stupid situation, just a shame to have people talking like he's as bad as the chinese participants who were made of anabolics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 well, the idiot who cell phone snapped that pic needs to win the attention whore of the year award... whilest, Phelps is in contention for idiot of the year award for doing it/getting caught. The whole "I'm cool so I wear my hat all crooked" way he carries himself makes me laugh at him, then again, he has 8 effing medals. However, many countries out there, probably see it as silly that it is getting blown out of whack. Some legalize pot, and many just dont care about it. I say again that I don't care about pot, but could you not break the law of the country you represent on the world stage, especially mine? I think it was distasteful, certainly not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffytee Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 as much as I agree with that letter that he should put out there, I'm gonna have to agree with sb and signal here. laws of mj are stupid and comparisons to alcohol are totally valid here. it's exactly what i was thinking. no doubt a controlled substance will always have issues with its source, people will use it and kill others, etc. but - people will die from anything. be creative when you wanna kill yourself or something else. hell, set yourself on fire. but when it comes to mj, i'm guessing the threat is "gateway" drug... what scares society. so it comes down to responsibility when using 'drugs' and the body. will society at this point and time accept that mj can be free in the wild and people will use it responsibly? how about seeing a little kid smoking a joint? i doubt it. society gotta be way less conservative to accept that. so that is a long way off. now add to the fact mike's a worldwide posterboy, we have a problem. i was really thinking like the poster "Monika rabbit" about the Monica lewinsky thing. clinton's a great prez, but society puts too much emphasis on the whole scandal thing and less on the perjury part of it, so society makes perjury carry the weight of both. funny thing is - he lied about it because he in fact DOES represent the us of a and presidents lie for the sake of the country. that is the reality of it. so mike is now the torch, the bright future of the next generation. a gold medalist that not only is a role model for the younguns but the representative of the UNITED STATES. he has that responsibility... and it is amplified on the world stage. this magnifies his action, especially in countries that also have banned mj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Back to Sig point that death by laced weed is death by marijuana. Most people would agree that if you were to get a razor blade in an apple and ate it, you did not die 'by apple' or if you got salmonella from raw eggs in a meal, you did not die 'by egg'. Also, every time I see this thread title, I read "Michael Phelps Got Head", to which I automatically think "he better, if he can't, what chance to I have out there?" Anyone else seeign that when they read this thread title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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