The NZA Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 exactly - we've kinda had to have him pull some punches, especially early on when cutting through enemies/etc. really not seeing the downside to limbs flying as he mows through guys if the rumors are true about Old Man Logan (oh my god, this'd be awesome) then an R rating would be almost necessary, i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Hopefully this isn't James Gunn's prophecy come true though, and it is just R for the sake of being R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's what I'm seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 why would a more violent film - an" R for the sake of being an R" - be inherently a bad thing, though? i want studios to feel more free to tell the kinda story they wanna tell - and this franchise isn't Guardians, or Avengers or any of that, it should be a lane (like Deadpool, Punisher etc) that doesn't feel constrained by the ever-present need to pander to kids whose parents should be given a moment to think about if they need to be seeing a violent action flick anyway. Gunn had his points, but a world where we're not shy about hard R films being made before everyone points at Dred/etc and says they're gonna bomb is a better one. if it becomes a trend that the more violent characters don't have to necessarily be neutered to tell a story - just having that option, whether it's used or not - that's a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Wolverine's lane HAS BEEN established tho. Taking his finale and making it less accessible is backward thinking. Jumping on the Deadpool R bandwagon is a kneejerk reaction. It doesn't add anything to the character to be R at this stage of the game. Edited February 17, 2016 by Da Cap'n 2099 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 yeah, and most of his solo stuff hasn't been great - not for lack of violence necessarily, but why would holding back help that? it's not a kneejerk reaction, it's a better fit for the darker/more violent characters. and since when have anyone but studio execs put "accessibility" as a desirable trend? maybe we should make him ride around on a hoverboard, that'd being the kids in seriously though, deadpool didn't invent R ratings, it just might help studios stop being scared of the option. you're not establishing why a more violent wolvy finale would be in any way a bad thing - particularly in Old Man Logan, where i can think of at least 2-3 grizzly scenes which serve the plot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Nemo McFly Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I'd be okay w/ a hard R Wolverine movie. Hell, I'd love it. A lot of 80s action movies were R because of the ultra violence - not necessarily because it was riddled w/ gratuitous t n' a. This is Wolverine's final go - I say take him to a place we haven't seen him in before: an old-school action film for an adult audience. He can still be the same character in a world where his claws cause bloody lacerations. Tone would be the most affected - a bloody, violent tone that might not have that mass-appeal affect, but at this point: fuck mass-appeal. Give the fans a different cinematic shade of Wolverine - it's been 15 years now. This is his swan song - show the world why he's the best at what he does. In the end, story is most important. It'd be great if the stage was adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Wolverine 3 being R-rated is a sound move and an important one. For one thing, Wolverine has a built-in audience so being rated R isn't likely to push people away because when studios talk about exclusivity they're not talking about 6-12 year olds, they're talking about teens. The only reason an R-rating isn't "inclusive" is because studios know that parents won't buy tickets for their teenagers to go see Titstab Massacre 12 but they'll be far more tolerant of Wolverine. It's an issue of re-branding. People will willingly drag their five year olds to The Dark Knight or Guardians of the Galaxy despite the fact that they have content that is waaaaay inappropriate for kids under 13, but refuse to take a 15-year-old to an R-rated film regardless of what content has caused that content to be rated such. R is PG-17 but as NC-17 (formerly X) became associated with pornography and absolutely tasteless content all the stuff that should reasonably be NC-17 got crowded down to R so that theaters will still play it. Wolverine is about a man whose powers involve healing from grevious wounds and cutting/stabbing people with the knives that grow out of his hands. It's weird that people don't think it should be R, especially considering that the last film was very obviously not for kids. Hell, not a single one of the X-Men films has been appropriate for children. It would be a big step forward for comic book movies, superhero movies, and r-rated movies in general. Ratings aren't laws and it should not be scandalous or taboo to market R rated movies to teens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's the thing: it doesn't effect the story. Not in the least. Sure, his solo efforts haven't been up to par with the team stuff, but that's not the ratings' fault. Tell a better story. Write something better. The Old Man Logan story from the comics WILL NOT be what we see on film. It's impossible. It'll be in name only like Age of Ultron. Tell a more character driven story. Blood, guts and curse words don't make a story. Besides, a "swan song" shouldn't be less accessible. It should be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1) why does accessibility matter again? baytor just got done saying that's for teens, not kids...who are you worried for here exactly? 2) if rating doesn't affect the kind of story you can tell, why not make it PG? i don't know what take on Old Man Logan it could hypothetically be, but i know it can't be the book one if studios stay afraid to take the R option. you're not illustrating why that limitation should exist, particularly with this character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1) I hadn't seen Baytor's post when I posted mine. And he's right..., but also wrong. The character's movie version has been established. Jackman's Wolverine IS NOT the Wolverine from the comics. He's just not. And you know it. So accessibility does matter. If parents have been taking their kids to PG-13 rated Wolvie flicks for 15 years then you can't be like: "nah, you can't bring your kids to this one." 2) Now you're just being smart. PG and PG-13 are WAY different from each other. PG-13 and R are closer and I'm hurting my argument here, but PG-13 isn't that far off from R. "So why not make it R?" Because of what I stated above. Ok, give me a synopsis of the Old Man Logan film if you were writing it. Go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1) I hadn't seen Baytor's post when I posted mine. And he's right..., but also wrong. The character's movie version has been established. Jackman's Wolverine IS NOT the Wolverine from the comics. He's just not. And you know it. So accessibility does matter. If parents have been taking their kids to PG-13 rated Wolvie flicks for 15 years then you can't be like: "nah, you can't bring your kids to this one." In the first movie he flipped off Cyclops with his claw and stabbed a lady in the midriff. In the second movie he was shot in the head and we watched the bullet fall out of the wound and it heal over and he stabbed a guy quite brutally in the chest. In the third movie he stabbed just a whole shitload of people. In his first solo effort he straight-up fucking decapitated a guy. In his second solo effort he kicked a guy into a snowmachine where he was violently mulched. The r-rated versions of those just actually show blood and are a bit more detailed. Tell me what about any of those is appropriate for six-year olds? My viewings of Deadpool, Watchmen, and Kick-Ass have all taught me that parents don't pay attention to ratings where superheroes are involved anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 And in First Class he says "fuck." I still don't see why it needs to be R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Because making a movie aimed at an adult audience and then scrubbing it of more graphic content so that neglectful parents can feel comfortable bringing their little kids who shouldn't be there is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Cap'n 2099 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So lets just say fuck the kids. It's all about the real fans. Nah, here's a list of Marvel characters who NEED and R-rating. 1) Punisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 2) moon knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 No it's about the people who the movie is very clearly written to which is people who are aged 14+. Anyone younger than that can check out any of the plethora of all-ages material on the character that have been made for decades. The X-Movies have never been for small kids and the Wolverine movies haven't even really been for young teens. Real fans will see it regardless of age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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