Avengers: Infinity War

[Newtype]

Avengers: Infinity War shattered the all-time Saturday record with an estimated $83.02M.

Jurassic World was the previous Saturday record holder with $69.64M.#Avengers #InfinityWar #BoxOffice

— BoxOfficeReport.com (@BORReport) April 29, 2018

AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR
$250.0M Weekend (Est.)
4,474 Screens / $55,878 Avg.
Weekend 1 / New
$250.0M Total (North America)#Avengers #InfinityWar #BoxOffice

— Boxoffice (@BoxOffice) April 29, 2018

Gobsmacked! Marvel's AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR had the biggest global debut of all-time, punching up $630M--and that was done without China.

— Exhibitor Relations (@ERCboxoffice) April 29, 2018

[The NZA]

yeah

id've been down for more too, like opening with the fall of the asgardian refugees was some shit, but i wish we've had a chance to see thanos take down the nova corps

[Keth]

Predictions on the next one?

I'm glad we inly have to wait a year. I thought we had to wait 2.

 

 

Surely they'll cook up something a little more exciting than "steal the time stone" or something right? Also wondering why Hawkeye's scene(s) didnt make it in. I remember them kind of playing him up to be important. I'm guessing we see his family disintegrated (along with Antman's associates in his next movie come this summer)

 

 

It's hard to oick a favorite moment for me but

Bucky picking up Rocket while he keeps yelling "GET SOME" is definitely up there

 

I saw it again today in Imax and certain moment were even more powerful because I saw them coming.

I got chills when Thanos snapped his fingers this time

. Fun audience too, but they cheered at a little to much. 

[The NZA]

YOU CANT CHEER OR CLAP TOO MUCH AXELS

 

and yeah, very glad to learn it's 1 year and not 2

 

so hawkeye did have a scene, then?  i mean fuck, we literally don't know who of those guys yet lives

 

also newt & panch were arguing last night over if valkyrie died off screen, since thor may be the only one who can survive in space 

 

im betting on the time stone but also hope it's more creative - also, does anyone think the reset button will fix those who died before the purge?  loki, heimdall, gamora etc?  

 

forgot of i said so last night, but: i really dig thanos as a villian in the books, but making him less somewhere between DOOM and carnage and more motivated like magneto made for a really compelling villain.  he had a plan & saw it through, overcoming every obstacle while still letting things play out enough to justify moments of hope from the heroes when, again, realistically the fight was lost around when he got the reality stone 

 

oh yeah, and fuck starlord.  dumbass

 

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Star-Lord had a human moment, which I was fine with. Even if it IS all his fault.

[Drifter]

There's a Meme going around that tickled my funny. Can't find the one with the caption but here's a source pic. Spoilers.

 

Spoiler

Here's a Picture of my Favorite Avenger!

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by Drifter

[The NZA]

there's something i really loved about this movie, and i think i can kinda talk around specifics but if i don't, feel free to spoiler-tag it or tell me to do so

 

so, phase 1 & 2 avengers stuff was a lot like kirby & lee's template: you had the biggest characters back then (thor, cap, iron man, hulk) and toss em into their own book to handle threats too large for them individually, right?  i read lee thought this was insane (you could be cutting into the sales of the individual titles, by giving them all away in one book!), but as i recall it, kirby said fans of those characters could follow them in their solo adventures and still enjoy the team efforts.  

 

that's what the movies did, establishing them beforehand - it's what DC left out, skipping over the many missteps & banking on the strength of the brand: these characters are so beloved, even this mediocre iteration of them will work.  clearly it didn't, but i'm not saying anything new here.   this part's been talked about a lot.

 

but what really stood out for me here, as a huge marvel zombie growing up, was the interactions of the shared universe.  when panch got me collecting comics in the early 90's, i was reading mostly spider-man and x-men, like most everybody else then - and big events like Onslaught were so cool cause you just didn't see the avengers cross it up with xavier's team much (bloodties was its own thing).  here was cap & wolverine arguing over whether it was responsible or not to have an unchecked powerhouse like x-man around, thor was sizing up colossus, it was just cool.  later on when all hell broke loose, spidey was trying to handle sentinels in NY city with a little help from storm & others.  i was buying like every book - not just for the overall battle, but seeing some of my favorites battle, team-up or just interact, i loved it.  

 

this movie completely got that: there was no characterization to be made here, we hit the ground running & the crisis was so big, there was barely time for intros, but it was just badass seeing who got along, who didn't, and all of it.  better still, it gave weight to huge fight scenes - i remember watching the later part of x-men 3 (ugh) and it was just like watching someone play ultimate alliance, everyone was fighting but i didn't care.  even the team-up moves fell flat.  compare that with

strange, spidey, stark, drax & co coordinating to keep thanos off balance

-  i wasn't just really into the fight choreography, i was floored by watching powers used in combinations you just don't get outside of the books.  

 

everyone's (rightfully) on about how awesome it was to balance such a huge ensemble cast, but i just can't get over how much they were able to lift right off the page.  

[Keth]

You nailed exactly why the Bucky/Rocket teamup was pretty much my favorite moment in the movie.

 

Hell, Wakanda in general. Not alot of time for intros, and Cap just taking it at face value that he is talking to a tree. It feels like it paves the way for actual Marvel Team-Up movies (being in the title) in place of true numbered sequels. Well, Thor Ragnarok may have actually done that.

[The NZA]

oh yeah, Ragnarok picked up that ball after Civil War & ran with it

 

also

 

He truly ain't shit #InfinityWar pic.twitter.com/BLf6Jr3rbD

— It's ya boi ProfBeef (@ProfessorBeef) April 30, 2018

[Da Cap'n 2099]

I mean, he DID save the universe twice already. In this case only half the universe was lost. He's still in the green.

[Keth]

 

[The NZA]

jesus christ

 

thanos gave hulk that work, and hulk had no answers for it - power stone or not, you really see where a millennia of fighting experience gets you vs throwing haymakers (like the fight with thor, but more brutal & on his power level)

 

no wonder he was scared the rest of the film

[Keth]

[The NZA]

 

Uh oh, @DonCheadle, is @MarkRuffalo going to get in trouble with @MarvelStudios now!? #InfinityWar #D23expo pic.twitter.com/WR5C1QCBTb

— Good Morning America (@GMA) July 16, 2017

HE TRIED TO WARN US Y'ALL

[Keth]

Russos confirm that Valkyrie is still alive.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/05/01/avengers-infinity-war-director-confirms-this-character-survived

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Told ya!

[Jables]

So Joel was officially the first person to throw up a specific spoiler for infinity war on my section of social media. 

 

That being said I consider any dissipation meme spoilerish. 

 

Now that some folks have seen the flick I can elaborate. 

holy shit,  what a bloody film.  More than makes up for what I found lacking in civil war. 

 

I was talking to a mate about a mock-up movie schedule he found that included thunderbolts and thought,  how good would a thunderbolts intro story(villains capitalising on a complete absence of heroes by pretending to be heroes)  but executed in the style of superior foes of Spiderman- set in between infinity wars as a palate cleanser?

[The NZA]

damn, i'd be down but

 

 

how would you work around zemo already being used/locked up? i don't expect you can pull off the bait-and-switch the book did in a film, but it feels like a bummer leaving out the OG team

 

also

 

[Drifter]

Good, I found this so I know I wasn't the only one thinking it.

Spoiler

 

[Jables]

6 hours ago, The NZA said:

 

 

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how would you work around zemo already being used/locked up? i don't expect you can pull off the bait-and-switch the book did in a film, but it feels like a bummer leaving out the OG team

 

(this really has bugger all to do with infinity war so I'll ditch spoilers so we're not catfishing people into thinking we're discussing anything relevant) 

 

Zemo is only imprisoned.  There's escape or even release for services rendered.  Sure suicide squad is still fresh in everyone's mind but a govt sponsored super team made up to look like an anti-reg(or sorkovian accord)  bunch of rag taggers not only echos themes and allusions to the secret empire from age of ultron and winter soldier.  

 

But that defeats my intention to lighten things up.  Taika Waititi on a superior foes movie,  any time would be a solid gold hit.  Hopefully Ant Man fills that purpose. 

[Iambaytor]

Yeah, Zemo's the wrong fit for a Thunderbolts movie but Justin Hammer and Abomination are still floating around the MCU.  Throw in Bokeem Woodbine's Shocker, Batroc the Leaper, Ulysses Klaue, and some originals and you got yourself a stew.

[Drifter]

Andy Serkis' Klaue was awesome! Watching him was fun as hell and he floored me with his lines of 'could have put it in a fancy suitcase but I thought I'd save myself some money' when pulling out a phallic shaped piece of Vibranium from his pants that was simply wrapped in paper and when he cackled 'I made it rain!' like a psychotically happy toddler after accidentally exploding a safe full of cash sending the money everywhere. I'd definitely like to see more of that character as comedy relief in a Suicide Squad type film.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Assuming some or all of these villains aren't dust piles themselves.

[Drifter]

Spoiler

Klaue being dead by the end of Black Panther would necessitate it being a prequel, pre-dusting of the MCU, like the new Captain Marvel film, I hear there might be other prequels too... damn, when did the 90s become the distant past... fuck I feel old.

 

[The NZA]

"Avengers 4 doesn’t do what you think it does." IW Writers discuss ending and what's next (SPOILERS)

On including the snap:
 

Directors Anthony and Joe Russo along with producer and Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige — never seriously entertained the idea that their films wouldn’t also include Thanos’s apocalyptic snap of his fingers.

“This is the hero's journey for Thanos,” said McFeely. “By the end of the hero's journey, our main character, our protagonist — at least, in this case — gets what he wants.” At first the writers weren't quite sure when in the two films Thanos’s snap would come, until they ultimately realized that putting it at the climax of Infinity War would give that film its strongest ending.

“Even if the end is a tragedy, we wanted it to be definitive,” said Markus. “To say, ‘Oh my gosh, what's he going to do?! He's only got one [Infinity Stone] left! I wonder if he'll get the other one!’ That just seemed like ‘Tune in next week’ jerking around.”

On certain major characters getting less spotlight:
 

If it seemed like many of the characters who died at the end of Infinity War also got the most screentime in Infinity War — and that several of the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s biggest characters, like Captain America (Chris Evans) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), got short shrift — that was by design. “We had so many characters in movie 1, and we knew it was a two-movie conversation,” said McFeely. “Some characters were better served in movie 2 after this event. We were making some choices based on some characters we knew were going to leave us at the end of the first movie, so they got highlighted in the first movie. And some who were going to be in the second movie more maybe got less attention or less screentime [in Infinity War] — I'm thinking of Cap and Natasha, specifically. It's about the story we wanted to tell in movie 2, mostly.”

On a change Gunn and Chris Pratt fought for:
 

In Infinity War, Gamora’s knowledge of the whereabouts of the Soul Stone — the only missing Infinity Stone — leads her to make Star-Lord (Chris Pratt) promise to kill her should Thanos, her father, ever capture her. In the original script, when Thanos does take Gamora, Star-Lord ultimately can't bring himself to pull the trigger. But Gunn and Pratt both said he would.

“The more I think about it, the better it is that it got changed,” said McFeely. He pointed out that Thanos’s use of the Reality Stone to have Star-Lord’s gun fire bubbles instead allowed the screenwriters to include a callback to the moment later in the film. But more broadly, Star-Lord’s decision to kill the woman he loves tied in with Infinity War’s underlying theme that doing what you believe to be the right thing can come at a terrible personal cost.

On how certain characters that died have upcoming announced movies:
 

Because these characters are almost certainly returning for more movies down the line, audiences could come to regard the deaths in Infinity War cynically. But Markus and McFeely said they had to set aside that kind of thinking when writing Infinity War.

“We can’t make movies assuming you know how movies get made,” said McFeely. “We can just tell the best version of the story we can, and hopefully you are investing in that story while you’re in it, and you feel appropriate sadness or joy while you’re in it. We can’t account for having one step outside the movie theater while you’re watching it. We would be terrible storytellers if we did that.”

On the idea of A4 'fixing' everything: (Edit: Possibly primarily referring to Loki/Heimdall/Gamora/Vision?)
 

“[Avengers 4] doesn’t do what you think it does,” said Markus. “It is a different movie than you think it is.” Then he paused. “Also…[the deaths are] real. I just want to tell you it’s real, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to move on to the next stage of grief.”

On the movies between Avengers 3 and 4:
 

“Put yourself in our positions two years ago,” said McFeely. “We’re looking at a blank wall, and it says Avengers 3, Ant-Man and [the] Wasp, Captain Marvel, Avengers 4. So there are four big shoeboxes, and we’re responsible for the bookends. As we’re going through deciding what we want to do, we have these two shoeboxes in the middle that you can either look at as burdens or opportunities.”

Other than “very small suggestions” from the Avengers team, McFeely emphasized that the filmmakers for Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel“got to make exactly the movies they wanted.” But those movies will still be tied to the events in Avengers 4 in some meaningful ways.