The NZA Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 C was talking about this one with bish recently...yeah, this 90s series was fun in its concept, but pretty weak in execution. it was done by votes, so nothing really counted, but even before the weird Amalgam shit, we had fun moments like when Superman was getting damn near killed by Venom (this always stands out to me, dude just punched out Juggernaut and now a symbiote who's 2 primary weaknesses are supes' daily things, and he needs spidey to save him? really?). Still, i wanted some fanboy talk about the fights. 1st Battle - Heavyweights honestly, Thor would be a better fight. i dont think Supes could just toss him into the sun like so many of his other foes, but id go with either World War Hulk (who beat up the entire marvel U) or Rulk (Red Hulk - about as strong, way smarter/tactical, owned Thor at the peak of his Odinson power). I like to think either's a more even/interesting match but i wont argue with Supes coming out on top either way, i suppose. 2nd Battle - Controversy! alright, you crazy, overhyped Bat-fans, hear me out. Daredevil vs Bats was a stretch, but i thought it an interesting fight. im well aware Batman can beat jesus if he has enough time to plan and Frank Miller writing him. Cap hasnt just been punching nazis in the face since bruce's parents were babies; he's mastered enough fighting styles to be marvel's premier hand-to-hand guy. Wolverine's far older and tactically cant take him in a fistfight. Bats has the power of deus ex, no doubt, and has bested uh, Dracula, Predators and all kinds of shit. Cap took out Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet when all of Marvel was dead, cause at the end of the day, he comes out on top. Also, the super soldier serum means he's quite beyond peak human strength. with the Ultimates shit merging into the 616/regular U, im pretty sure he's at the level of jumping out of planes without a parachute. im not saying he'd own the shit out of bats, or that the fight woudlnt cost him, but Steve'd take it and even the writers of the old mini knew this, so they had bats win by some weird flash-flood shit. Bish likes to point out that Bats, if finding himself as outclased as im selling, would escape to strategize. i agree with this, but for the purposes of this ridiculous fanboy battle, still count that as an L. 3rd Battle - WTF yeah, you know you're out of your weight division when even the writers back then had to have it go down off-panel. some people hypothesized they may've fucked or something. im not sure, i just hate Lobo and think his finest moment was when Ennis had him ass-raped. that said, adamantium or not - fuck it, give him Deadpool's healing factor - m boy cant hang with an unkillable parody that even superman's worried about. 4th Battle - Space Madness I know Surfer's kinda boring sometimes, and i love GL, but i cant see it. Even Hal feels way out of his league, but id love to be wrong here. Bish made a fine point - Kyle as Ion would be a better match, id love to see that. 5th Battle - everybody wins in a catfight ...also not even close. It was worse at the time cause Diana picked up Mjolnor just to show she could, then put it down and proceeded to lose on account of x-men running shit popularity-wise in the 90s. Now, Ms Marvel (Carol Danvers) would put up a much better fight, though id still not bet on her. 6th Battle - guns come out yeah, i used to think little of Deathstroke, Identity Crisis changed my mind there. Punisher would need some Batman shit to pull this off, and without Ennis at the helm, that's likely not gonna happen. Bish voted for Deathstroke vs Deadpool for irony's sake, im sure we can get a better matchup here though. 7th Battle - (who paired these two?) I know superboy's strong, but spidey's taken out like 80% of the marvel U at some point or another. i need to know more about the clone to know if spidey's out of his league here or not, cause im not seeing it. 8th Battle - Speedsters ...youve got a guy who can break the sound barrier, and the other, light. this is more Arch's territory, but yeah, they're so mismatched (even before the 90s book had Pierto taking cheapshots while Flash was saving civilians) its not even funny. if you vote Quicksilver here, you've failed. 9th Battle - gods Thor just lost his father's power, which made him really high tier, but he was no slouch before that. Im willing to hear cases for Captain Marvel, who ive never really respected outside of say Kingdom Come. 10th Battle - Under the sea Yeah, Namor's no pushover. And even Chappelle has Aquaman jokes, but dude gets underestimated. Go back and read the Peter David shit when Arthur lost that hand - he took out the freakin' JLA once. Where's Jumbie, he knows about thsi shit. there you have it. argue away, and feel free to use the Marvel database and DC database for rough (possibly outdated) figures/stats if you wanna get technical and shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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