Logan aka the actual Last of Us

[Drifter]

 

 

Scuttlebutt is Transigen released the Legacy Virus.

 

 

[The NZA]

ahh okay, yeah that makes sense

[The NZA]

James Mangold Revealed the Ending of ‘Logan’ in ‘The Wolverine’

 

 

As I said in this week’s podcast, The Wolverine feels like a rough draft for Logan. It’s a film that does a lot of what director James Mangold wanted to do with the character—take away his healing factor, focus more on character and his relationships, break away from the superhero genre—but that it was compromised to hit certain blockbuster beats. So while you have nice moments of Logan finding new friendships with Mariko and Yukio, you also have him fighting a giant robot and a woman who can shed her skin.

 

That being said, Mangold was able to squeeze in his vision for Wolverine’s ending into The Wolverine, and Twitter user “MauriceTheChosenOne” was able to spot it. You may recall that Yukio is a mutant who has the ability to see into the future. At one point, she tells Wolverine that “I see you on your back, there’s blood everywhere. You’re holding your own heart in your hand.” There’s payoff on this within The Wolverine itself. There’s a parasite that has latched onto Logan’s heart and it’s preventing his healing factor from working. He has to carve it out, and he briefly dies, thus fulfilling Yukio’s prophecy.

 

But it turns out Mangold was looking at longer game. [spoilers ahead for Logan].

 

It turns out that Yukio was also talking about the death Logan didn’t come back from. He’s on his back, covered in blood, and the “own heart” that he’s holding in his hand is his daughter. It changes Yukio’s prophecy from literal to figurative, but it’s much more profound.

 

This also isn’t just fan theorizing. Mangold confirmed Maurice’s suspicion on Twitter.

 

I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised at Mangold bringing back an element from a previous Wolverine movie and using it wisely. Hell, he even found a use for the dumb adamantium bullet from X-Men Origins.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

[The NZA]

.....damn. yeah, that'll do it!

 

meanwhile, some fun with nerdy science

 

 

[Newtype]

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Someone didn't click my spoiler.

[Visitant]

Going into this, I really took it as its own film, so its great to see the callbacks that have been confirmed in it.

 

It was fantastic, just hands down I loved it from start to finish. I know its only loosely old man logan, but I wanna go read that now. Really my only complaint was that i had a fucking family sitting next to me yapping and answering their phones the whole time and people behind me that thought it was great to laugh and OOOH everytime something happened.

 

Christ, this is what I get for not going to the alamo drafthouse to watch this.

[C_U_SPACECOWBOY]

Christ, this is what I get for not going to the alamo drafthouse to watch this.

 

If I lived within an hour of one, I'd never watch movies anywhere else!

[Visitant]

I live between a bunch, but it was just cheaper to go to the literally next door theater, plus my girl was under the weather and didn't want to travel much so we made it a "hey lets just go and get back" kinda affair.

 

Regrets man. seriously.

[Mr. Hakujin]

If I lived within an hour of one, I'd never watch movies anywhere else!

Ditto. I'd go for the shakes and food alone.

[Little Nemo McFly]

I just saw it - it was really good...but, then it ended. Then the whole thing then turned into m'eh. Not great, not bad - just a'ight.

 

Loved the extreme violence - as far as skulls gettin' the claws. Action scenes were really standard fare. Best stuff was -

 

 

 

Logan and Prof X.

 

Eating w/ that family...recounting their time as teacher and student. I fucking smiled. I felt like I've been on this insane journey w/ these characters / actors for so damn long - I felt like part of the family. Prof X / Stewart was fantastic in this. So was Logan / Jackman. Best line: "I like you in those. You look younger." To Logan wearing his reading glasses.

 

 

 

Is this the end of the franchise? It's a shame how it ended. Wished -

 

 

 

Professor X's death had value...had more meaning...maybe a sacrifice? Sure it had an impact...Wolvie got sad...but he might as well had died in his sleep.

 

Also, wished there were sum veteran mutant(s) holding the fort at 'Eden'? So - the last 'mutants' were kids - finally found - and the bad guys only send 'bout a dozen soldiers to get 'em? Weren't these kids trained to kill since birth? Who didn't see 'Final Boss Kryptonite' labeled on that adamantium bullet?

 

Wish there was more of...well, any kind of relationship / bond between Logan and the kid. Logan's death was..."am I supposed to be feeling a bond between these two?" I didn't. It all just ended. (shrugs)

 

 

 

Potential up the whazoo - I was invested...then it all just started to turn, for me, towards the end. Eh - it was a'ight. I'd buy it on the super cheap. Wolvie's claws causing sum major 'adult situations' - pretty sweet. Really glad a 'mainstream' flick like this - can get into blood and gore...and still bank. Thank you, Deadpool.

[The NZA]

Hugh Jackman on ‘Logan’ Spoilers, His ‘Apocalypse’ Cameo, a Wolverine Reboot and More

 

 

The X-Men property is extremely valuable to Fox, and they’re embarking on all of these other chapters now, and the odds are in the future Wolverine will be rebooted with a different actor. As a fan of the character and the franchise, arguably maybe the expert on the character, what would you like to see out of that if and when it happens?

 

JACKMAN: I think one thing we’ve learned: when X-Men started, it was pretty revolutionary. Like the comic book itself, I think there was an element of breaking conventions, of opening up in the concentration camp with a character, was not what people expected. I think X-Men has always been about asking questions, challenging norms and asking what’s going on. I’m not saying we’ve done that always, but I definitely think the spirit of Logan is in a way a reboot of that desire to keep taking risks and to ask more difficult questions, and to go deeper within the characters. In an irreverent way, it’s exactly what Deadpool did too. I think it’s endemic to the character. I think for me, it would make sense to go younger with Logan. I think it would be very difficult – however, there’s a female 11-year-old who could absolutely frickin’ nail it, for my money.

 

She is fantastic. She’s so good.

 

JACKMAN: So good. I was 30 when I got the part, so I think it would be wide open to interpretation. I think it could be anything. You could go any color, any race, anything. If you look at all the drawings and all the different interpretations from different artists over the years, I think it’s completely open. I think audiences will buy it.

 

also, if there was any doubt:

 

James has confirmed that shot of Logan holding Laura’s hand, which is crushing, is straight from Yukio’s premonition in The Wolverine

[Little Nemo McFly]

As far as reboot - maybe they can do more these solo, "indie" style flicks - absolutely character-driven...that introduce a new roster.

 

It all culminates in an Avengers-style epic crossover flick: "X-MEN"...and the 'union' / 'banding together' could have a lot more depth. These prosecuted 'freaks' - that are very much established - unilaterally band together to protect those that 'hate and fear' them. Could be epic of epic proportions. The thinking man's Avengers.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Name one Sunspot villain.

 

Nah, outside of Wolvie and Deadpool, none of these guys can drive a flick by themselves. The Avengers model isn't the way to go here... or maybe it is, but with teams. Make individual team films culminating in a big team team-up event finale.

[Keth]

Id love to see a solo Nightcrawler movie tho...

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Ok, Wolvie, Deadpool, Professor X, Magneto and Nightcrawler.

[Little Nemo McFly]

Which one is Sunspot...? LOL

 

Logan didn't really have a 'big-name' villain - (at least, I didn't recognize him...I was expecting Dr. Cornellius! Was that him?) - in fact, it was a pretty lame villain...and plot - but people praise it like the second coming. I attribute it to be being a 'different' - ie: 'bloody / adult' - kind of 'superhero movie' and being sooomewhat character-driven.

 

The solo flicks wouldn't have to be like...'Iceman vs Pyro'. I mean, whatever - a conflict that makes sense. If they can retro-fit an existing villain into said role - groovy.

 

I mean, if Sunspot is an interesting character in of itself...work that. Then search the archives of comic-dom to name-drop / palette-swap a villain that fits...there are tons of X-Men villains at their disposal. I like the adult / realistic approach (Logan) took.

[Da Cap'n 2099]

Will those films make money though? Hawkeye and Black Widow don't have films for a reason. And they're 10x more interesting than any throw away Excalibur team member.

[Little Nemo McFly]

I think the reason those characters' don't have solo films is 'cuz their 'appropriate' solo films - wouldn't fit the tone of the MCU / Avengers.

 

They'd have to 'Dr. Strange' it - watered-down, paint-by-numbers...and I don't Black Widow's acrobatics and Hawkeye's arrows are 'exciting' enough to carry it. (FX are the real center-pieces, honestly - not character. To their credit - they try...but I can tell that ain't the focus of their pre-production meetings.)

 

Done like Logan, they would sore. I appreciate Winter Solider - but even that needs an epic, destruction-porn ending. Civil War really didn't make a lick of sense - but it's the FX / visuals that're really the star.

 

Again, done like Logan (low-key, grounded in reality) - could absolutely bank if done appropriately. It's lack of the ability to make shit crash and explode every 20 minutes in a very spectacular fashion - is why those solo flicks aren't happening...in my opinion.

 

I mean, Cap can kick cars - and survive all kinds of nonsense. Hawkeye has perfect aim and Widow is a gymnast. Not much to offer in the visual-WHOA! dept...in regard to the overall tone of the established MCU.

 

Ant-Man obviously suffered from the 'mandatory bullet-points'. It all 'has to fit' a mega-BOOM / CRASH mold.

[Iambaytor]

I want to see an X-23 trilogy, they have a young enough actress and a pretty awesome world for her to explore. Ideally it would eventually become a George Miller-esque apocalypse movie with a wandering 30-something Laura going around Man-with-no-name style.

[Mr. Hakujin]

I want to see an X-23 trilogy, they have a young enough actress and a pretty awesome world for her to explore...

Yuuuuup!

 

I rewatched LOGAN last night, only my second viewing since seeing it in the theater. Firstly, I liked it much more on the second viewing. Secondly, it confirmed my belief Patrick Stewart owns the Best Supporting Actor Oscar. It's his. Period. Thirdly, I got a much better appreciation for the performances by Jackman and the actress who played Laura/X-23. I'm in agreement with Hugh Jackman's quote above, and I definitely am up for this actress picking up the mantle of Wolverine and having a film explore Eden and the mutant community there. If Fox is smart they'll pick up the film franchise from where LOGAN left off and carry on forward from there.