Iambaytor Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 One thing that bothered me: if red matter can create a black hole, why would it have to beat the center of a planet to engulf it? Wouldn't a black hole at the surface still suck up a planet like that? Make the whole drill thing some unnecessary. Probably for the same reason it has to be retracted with a comically large syringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 This movie was very much about the visuals; remember how the hand phasers had barrels that flipped back and forth, blue for stun, red for kill. Even engineering looked more like the insides of a concrete power plant than the insides of a ship. Likes: McCoy (The wife took the whole planet in the divorce...), Scotty (I'm givin' her all she's got, Captain!), Sulu (Fencing.), Spock, Checkov (needed more of him), and Pike. Dislikes: Kirk, Uhura, Nero. Also, the plot was formulaic and while, logically, the starfleet careers of almost everyone there would have eventually brought them to the Enterprise, it seemed very contrived that Scotty showed up the way he did. However they blew up Vulcan, those Bastards! Vulcans do not need to be an endangered species just so they could add drama . As for how they did it, that didn't bug me. After all, they were a mining ship; they'd have drilling equipment, spacial charges, and their ship would be ridiculously huge but also hollow, to better envelope and mine their targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Yes, much praise must be heaped on the new Bones--excellent origin for the nickname as well! I read that actor was one of the Rohan guys in LOTR; great actor b/c he was a totally convincing McCoy! Yeah, he was like, the main guy from memory(well the main guy of those rider fags anyways). I don't get all the love for Pegg as Scotty. Having never been exposed to Star Trek in any capacity, the odd Twisted Toyfare Theatre parody aside, was Scotty always comic relief? I didn't think there's was comic relief in this stuff, so Pegg's every scene just seemed like arbitrarily wheeled-out comedy for those getting too bored by all the science talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 someone didnt watch Spaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Scotty was never quite that off the wall but they made good use of his accent, moreso than they did of Mr. "Nuclear Wessels" Chekov even. The humor was always there but it was harder to detect as it was the kind of things that people found funny on network TV in the 70s. The humor was definitely there in the movies, especially on the part of Kirk and Scotty always seemed to be one of the more lighhearted crewmembers. Pegg didn't really seem too over-the-top to me, now his little popcorn skinned midget was a bit much but Scotty himself seemed on par and a good choice. I didn't find his stuff forced and he fit into the plot, I just wish they hadn't waited so long to introduce him. But then I guess somebody needed to be able to beam Kirk off Hoth after he met Old Spock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Probably for the same reason it has to be retracted with a comically large syringe. yes, that was pretty cheezy. but it wouldn't be star trek w/out some degree of cheeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 someone didnt watch Spaced. I live with Shane. How long do you think I had exactly, once he got past the initial ackwardness of fucking my sister-in-law, that he then on a nightly basis hassled me about watching Spaced. Pegg's great, and a good fit for what I imagine of Scotty, it's just hte comedy to begin with that seemed out of place for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I liked the humor. The only time I felt it went overboard was having Scotty take that water tube ride. That joke was perfect just for having him transport into the canister at the start, but the shouldn'thave extended the gag. But the humor that I really liked was stuff like, "Out of the chair." and "you have the conn."/ "No he has the conn"/ "No SHE has the conn" and of course, "Fencing" Re: the name Bones. I didn't like that. Sawbones is an old Navy nickname for a ship's doctor, so lots of ship doctors have that tag "Bones". No need to give it a special origin. BTW, apparently the actor who plays Bones McCoy is a human trek encyclopedia. ============================== Going forward, I really hope they give Uhura something more prominent to do. She still ended up being more of a glorified receptionist than I would have wanted. She's the xeno-linguist. That's reason enough right there to put her in constant away mission situations. they should make her their diplomacy specialist. (yes, I know this is Kirk, not Picard, so no diplomacy unless it involves making sweet love to alien princesses, but still... HEY, there's an idea for Uhura... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaon Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 The short, mute alien that followed Scooty around seemed a bit much for me. Going forward, I really hope they give Uhura something more prominent to do. She still ended up being more of a glorified receptionist than I would have wanted. She's the xeno-linguist. That's reason enough right there to put her in constant away mission situations. they should make her their diplomacy specialist. (yes, I know this is Kirk, not Picard, so no diplomacy unless it involves making sweet love to alien princesses, but still... HEY, there's an idea for Uhura... You... want Uhura to make sweet love to alien princesses? If so, this idea has my complete support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopcruz Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dislikes: Kirk, Uhura, Nero. Also, the plot was formulaic and while, logically, the starfleet careers of almost everyone there would have eventually brought them to the Enterprise, it seemed very contrived that Scotty showed up the way he did. However they blew up Vulcan, those Bastards! Vulcans do not need to be an endangered species just so they could add drama. Agreed on Nero, was kinda meh about Uhura, but Nero was a little TOO nutty at times, and felt a bit off. Now as to Kirk, he was AWESOME! No, he's not Shatner, he's Kirk with a chip on his shoulder, basically growing up sans much parental influence, and pissed off at the world. But the essence of his character was the same, still damned defiant, still coming up with absolutely insane plans that are pulled off by half skill/half luck, still a ladies man, and still gets the crap kicked out of him in fights, even when he wins. As to the destruction of Vulcan, yeah it kinda sucks, but it was probably done as a way to completely separate the new movies from their previous incarnations. Something that big can't be ignored, and in that sense it works. I also liked that they DIDN'T fix something that happened due to time travel for once, there were no take backs, and that's pretty rare for the series. Also props to the team for making the future seem a lot more real than it ever did in any Trek series (save, maybe, DS9) and also making a good MOVIE. As a moderate fan of the series, most of the movies really do not stand up well to the test of time. Wrath of Khan is really the only one of the first 6 that is still awesome as hell today. Part of that is that many Trek films, especially the later ones felt more like extended episodes than actual big budget movies. This one was conceived and directed as a major blockbuster, and it worked. Also, Karl Urban as Bones was the best casting in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 As a moderate fan of the series, most of the movies really do not stand up well to the test of time. Wrath of Khan is really the only one of the first 6 that is still awesome as hell today. what about the next generation one with the borg? i dont remember seeing it alla way through, but i recall it getting a lotta love at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 To be honest, the Next Generation just seems to get unintentionally funnier with each passing year, and Wrath of Khan is only great because it's entertaining watching William Shatner and Ricardo Montelbahn compete to see who is the bigger over-actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Nick, George said "of the first 6", and the one you're talking about, First Contact, was the 8th one. I agree that First Contact was a great flick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopcruz Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Correct, though lof the TNG movies, only First Contact was a really good film, though that one is going more on memory as i haven't seen it it years, though I di see parts of it recently. Nemesis though, was awful, and fans are lucky it didn't kill the franchise for longer. This film really reminds me of Batman begins, it had a fresh take on characters and setting, and brought back a franchise that, based on the quality of the last film should have been dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonfire Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 see, that's way better than my answer of "he's simon fucking pegg, if it was my call, and dude wanted it, he could be on secret service for a day. did you not see shaun of the dead? what about spaced?" You and your pretty, pretty words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 This film really reminds me of Batman begins, it had a fresh take on characters and setting, and brought back a franchise that, based on the quality of the last film should have been dead. Between Batman Begins, Casino Royale and now Star Trek, rebooting franchisee with new origin stories is Hollywood's new golden ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Between Batman Begins, Casino Royale and now Star Trek, rebooting franchisee with new origin stories is Hollywood's new golden ticket. Technically Terminator Salvation fits under that umbrella, and is thus the exception that proves the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Because Terminator Salvation is a retelling of the origin story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 The best thing about T4 was the Bale rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Because Terminator Salvation is a retelling of the origin story? Terminator Salvation seems to just brazenly enjoy the continuity of the series whilst embracing it. Most noticeably, the T-800s show up way too soon, whatever model number Marcus was was way ahead of what their technology had at the time, the resistance fights in the day and hides at night when Kyle Reese specifically said that the Resistance fights at night due to low visibility in the first film. Then of course there's the fact that John Connor meets the Arnold bot long before he sends Kyle Reese back in time, pouring molten metal on the Arnold bot only seems to piss it off despite the fact that that flat killed the T-1000 which was twice as advanced as the 800 model. Then of course there's John Connor flat saying "This isn't the future my mother warned me about" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 That still doesn't sound like a reboot or a retelling of the origin story. I'm saying this not having seen it yet, but it does not sound like the other reboots we've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 It pretty much is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Remember the message that comes back in time... "The future isn't set. There's no fate but what we make..." i.e. the constant time travel (3 times in the movies) before T4 have fucked up the timeline... just like in Star Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 That's just making excuses for bad writers who can't be arsed to watch 2 goddamn movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hakujin Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Funny transporter scene near the end of this clip from the opening of the 2009 MTV Movie Awards: MTV Shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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