the division of joy Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 all this jibba jabba, and no one gets back to me about When switzerland became un-neutral... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 The way the other side is treating our concerns is plain rude. Just because you disagree with our concerns over the boards does not mean they get to brush it off as if we're crazy, which is how it's being treated. Disagreement is how it started. It quickly turned away from that to insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 alright, well, if youve decided your back in this, then call out those (in particular) you found insulting. im not keeping score on sensitivities here, but so far, i only recall you being taken aback by SuperE, and thusly replied to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 nope, my part here is done. Nothing I say is going to change people's habits, nor do I expect any real change. My purpose was awareness, and I succeeded enough to get 29 people to vote. Do what you will, but I'm pretty much jaded with this place for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 For the sake of fairness: WAH, WAH, WAH! TURN THEM OFF AND DON'T BITCH ABOUT IT By doing this your being an asshole (yes I said it)... and no I don't care about what you have to say Then again, this looks another direct attack (attemp to show us all, how right you're) from you against Jax Joel, from now on your new name is Fidel Castro! This isn't about what's best for the board, this is about what's "best" for YOU! What YOU want!! For anyone who is with the common sense parade here, ie, against arch i just think this is all a little ridiculous and a tad ironic Granted, this isn't really anything different from any other "debate" on here, but arch isn't making it up either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 yeah...it doesnt look so hot when you add it up like that. but uh, joel's quite polarizing sometimes, and uh...alright, fine, it does mildly reek of IFT. I mean, more than half of that was kinda about joel more than the subject, which sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 I really want to say "and thats how 4th graders politic" but I wouldnt be scoring brownie points from the great nikoli if I said that so I wont say it, officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 well, thank god you were a better man than that, sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 which goes back to my post over in the Castro thread. Demagogue and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yea, even I can get carried away at times my friend. btw pm me your phone number again, mi lost it with old phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 I'm not voting because I'm rigidly fence sitting on this one. It's not a great big ask, but it's still an ask of any sort that's gonna open a whole buncha doors for a regime that takes a very hard you rule yourselves stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 and for the sake of clarity: i just think this is all a little ridiculous and a tad ironic ridiculous=how personally everyone is taking this ironic=how people are calling ad hominem and then turning around and calling others morons and idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 ironic=how people are calling ad hominem and then turning around and calling others morons and idiots so... your average politics thread then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 yes. pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal08 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the division of joy Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 yes. pretty much. pretty much Which is why i avoid it like t'plague most of the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 ridiculous=how personally everyone is taking this ironic=how people are calling ad hominem and then turning around and calling others morons and idiots Fair enough, you're stricken from the list then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 ridiculous=how personally everyone is taking this Yep, I thought that too. About the ad hominem: (and dont you take this like a personal insult or something Arch. Im just making an observation) For what I've seen, this is the way you discuss with many people here. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 idiculous=how personally everyone is taking this ironic=how people are calling ad hominem and then turning around and calling others morons and idiots yea, if you ignore everything that's been said. after a few days of taking it, it's called 'retaliation'. About the ad hominem: (and dont you take this like a personal insult or something Arch. Im just making an observation) For what I've seen, this is the way you discuss with many people here. I could be wrong. and if you notice the observation I made earlier, I specifically said that i expect that in politics, religion and FC...NOT in the Suggestion Box. I took it all for a few days and didn't make an attack back. SiBob posted the proof of it. Pointing to past aggressions in different threads to justify bad behavior in this one is dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Oh baloney. Arch has, on at LEAST two occasions, complained about ad hominem attacks in the same sentence as throwing a personal insult at me, cast straight from the mold of Weekend Update's old Point/Counterpoint (Reply: "Jane, you ignorant slut"). You've also compared long signatures to shouting fire in a crowed theater and to anal rape, and compared our collective disagreement to apartheid. Then you claim that THIS issue has made you jaded. Honestly, there's mountains out of molehills, but this might warrant more grandiose hyperbole, like making blackholes out of blackheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Oh baloney. Arch has, on at LEAST two occasions, complained about ad hominem attacks in the same sentence as throwing a personal insult at me, haven't called you anything you haven't said about yourself, Jax. That's not ad hominum: I used your own words to describe what you were doing. You've also compared long signatures to shouting fire in a crowed theater and to anal rape the last one figuratively, the former I did not, but invoked it as an example of limitations to Free Speech. You're taking things out of context. and compared our collective disagreement to apartheid. Oh, how so? I want to see exactly where I said it was apartheid. Failing in that, i want an apology from you for over-exagerating and misrepresenting my views. That, or show everyone your dishonesty in this debate. Your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Oh, how so? I want to see exactly where I said it was apartheid. Failing in that, i want an apology from you for over-exagerating and misrepresenting my views. Here: the fact that we're basically being treated like irrelevant second rate citizens. The fact is, using 'fire in a crowded theater' as an extreme example that you then used to argue a non-extreme completely unparallel example. It's dishonest to evoke it for cases that don't cause immediate physical harm to people, and your shameless evocation of it is what's angered me more than anything else. And you have not used my own words against me, you've used your words. You've called me a drama queen, a prick, among other things. I don't give a shit, but don't say you haven't gone ad hominem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Here: nope. Don't see 'apartheid' mentioned anywhere. Nice try, though. The fact is, using 'fire in a crowded theater' as an extreme example that you then used to argue a non-extreme completely unparallel example. It's dishonest to evoke it for cases that don't cause immediate physical harm to people, and your shameless evocation of it is what's angered me more than anything else. It's dishonest if I use them to draw parallels to like comparisons, which I didn't do. I used it to give the most well known example of a limit to free speech, NOT as analagous to what I was saying. again, nice try. And you have not used my own words against me, you've used your words. You've called me a drama queen, a prick, among other things. I don't give a shit, but don't say you haven't gone ad hominem. once you trivialized and attempted to derail the debate, i pointed out you were acting like a drama queen. every other thing I've said is your own words against you. You've said 'If I want to be a prick, it's my right'. If you call yourself a prick in the context, then it's open for use and doesn't fall under ad hominum. In spanish: no te pongas nombretes que se te pegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 And now the thread really has become Arch vs. Jax. This thing isn't about the two of you. There are 13 other yes votes that aren't arch that you haven't even acknowledged, Jax. So for the rest of us who can't stand having to scroll through it all or for those of us with slower connections who have to wait for the thing to load every time, why won't you show a little courtesy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 You're right, SiBob...my apologies. Jax, I've said my piece here. There's nothing else I can say that hasn't been already been said. Don't make this about me, I wont be responding to it any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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