Reverend Jax Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The reviews are out, full of spoilers tho. I am totally looking forward to seeing this now.a qoute, for those of you who don't want to see the spoilers! Spoilers that would be spoilers for people who have read the novel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnotizinChikns Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Spoilers that would be spoilers for people who have read the novel? I don't know, i haven't read them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Hightower Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The interview with Zack Snider is excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So I read that review. They mention that Dr Manhattan's self-exile to Mars is well done, which is one of the parts I was most worried about. The entirety of Chapter 4 is...well, to be as nice as possible, bound to grind the momentum of a film version to a tears-of-boredom inducing halt of death, if adapted faithfully. I mean, I understand it. It's meant to help you understand Dr Manhattan's disconnection from humanity, to make you understand and experience his growing misanthropy and alienation, and it works on paper if you have patience, but it would dull as fuck on the screen. I'm glad someone said is was addressed and done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 i know i'm late to this but jeffrey dean morgan was also the husband in weeds. i've never read watchmen but i'll bet $100 that his character dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 He dies in the first page of the book, as well as in all the teasers and trailers released for the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Yeah it shows him die in every trailer for this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Jax Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 But he's all over the story in flashbacks, but yeah, instant death, literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Lindsay Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 i've only passively seen the trailers. he dies or is dead in almost every acting job he gets. that's kind of shitty typecasting. he's super hot too so it's a shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jont Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Dr Manhattan should not be glowing all the fucking time. Neither should he have the same spray on abs that the Spartans wore in 300. Seriously, the amount of money and technology they've pissed away on this thing and Dave Gibbon's could still make a more convincing image of a human being with nothing but pen and ink. I'll more than likely being going to see Watchmen with some friends on it's opening weekend and I intend to enjoy myself, it may even be a good film, but by Christ it's going to be a stupid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iambaytor Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 i've only passively seen the trailers. he dies or is dead in almost every acting job he gets. Hey, he and Jeremy Sisto could start a club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dr Manhattan should not be glowing all the fucking time. Neither should he have the same spray on abs that the Spartans wore in 300. Seriously, the amount of money and technology they've pissed away on this thing and Dave Gibbon's could still make a more convincing image of a human being with nothing but pen and ink. I'll more than likely being going to see Watchmen with some friends on it's opening weekend and I intend to enjoy myself, it may even be a good film, but by Christ it's going to be a stupid one. I totally disagree, but it's good to see you posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 this movie rocked so fucking hard. I have no idea how this wasn't NC-17, but it sure was funny watching parents trying to shield the eyes of their children lol everyone must watch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 How the fuck did you see this before us? Play along when I say Rorschach lives. The final scene is a sillouette of him on top of a building saying in narrative, 'My City cries for justice.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 heh, no problem George got a couple of screening passes. He, my fiance and I went yesterday. It was so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Seriously though, right as Manhattan leaves Rorschach a lasting impression in antartica , some dickhead little bitch laughed. If those lights had been on or I could see who it was(she was close by), I'da popped her right in the face without a second thought. Hell, I'da gunned her down in a vietnamese bar with my unborn child given the shot. Only things that stood out for me in a non-completely positive way were the fluidity of Rorschach's mask(I always figured it changed based on facial expression as opposed to this constantly shifting weirdness- although it does create an interesting merch sideline for the resurgence of Rorschach Lava lamps), and the graphic nature of The COmedian's attempted rape of Silk Spectre. It could be I'm not recalling orrectly, but I don't remember him beating the shit out of her, not to mention bending her over a pool table's slightly more graphic than laying her down on the floor. All in all though, Cancer dollars have a higher exchange rate than rape dollars in just about any country you cae to visit, so Manhattan wins again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopcruz Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Well, Rorshach's mask WAS supposed to be based on his mood, at least a little bit. The material is constantly shifting though. It has been that way since the original graphic novel. As for the scene you discussed: I figure they amped up the rape in order to shock audiences as much as comic book readers were shocked by it when the story came out in the eighties. In fact if you notice, all the scenes of sex and violence are amped up. I thought it might have been gratuitous, but then I realized that seeing the stuff from the comic must have been CRAZY in 1986. Nowadays we see worse violence and sex than Watchmen had on TV every day. Snyder needed to up the ante. Also, remember Manhatten didn't cause the cancer. Veidt just wanted him to think he did. Overall I had a very positive experience, as I said in the gathering thread, Rorschsch was AMAZING. Hell, all the cast was. As an ensemble piece it was tops. And Joel is right, I'm AMAZED this film didn't get an NC-17. If this screening is any indication, there are going to be a TON of pissed off parents this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Kaniggit Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I witnessed the Watchmen on Tuesday night, with 2 of my best friends avid comic readers, one a screenwriter, another close friend who is an avid Watchmen fanatic, and old friend who is a rabid comics reader and illustrator, and Greyskull, a virgin to all things Watchmen. We were all blown away by the film. Now that I have been able to process some of it, here a few observations. The opening credits, some of the best I have seen, it distills 40 year of history quite effectively. The movie has such depth. The level of detail in the film is breathtaking. Its all there, the Gunga Diner, the Rum Runner Sign, Rorscach prison psychiatrist, Bubastis and on and on and on... it was quite exciting to see some of those details on the big screen. He adds little touches that were not in the book, but you can tell that they devoured the novel and read between lines, to develop the original material they used. The Watchmen world is brutal and visceral. You feel every punch, kick and emotion. The characters fight with a ferocity that was not conveyed in the book. Speaking of the characters, I will give observations about each one. Jeffrey Dean Morgan: The Comedian, by far the hardest role to convey. He has to play as a bastard, but you still have to see some redeeming and almost sad qualities to convey this character correctly. Morgan pulls it off brilliantly. When he is on screen he is electric, just like in the book, you wish there was more to see of him. He would have stole the movie if not for Rorschach. Jackie Earle Haley: Rorshach, In the mask, Haley's Rorshach is pitch perfect. His voice, his mannersims, are all spot on. He is relentless in his pursuit of his skewed justice. When Rorshach does his "hurm" you do not even notice, because it blends into the performance. You see his horrific origins and history. And out of the mask, Earle plays him like a caged beast, waiting to strike, waiting for his chance at revenge. Patrick Wilson: Nite Owl II, An excellent performance. His Dan Dreiberg is a flabby listless guy dreaming of the days he used to fly around in Archie and wail on bad guys. A lot has been said about him not having the paunch gut in the suit, but you won't miss it. The suit and Silk Spectre II bring him back to life, and you can feel him gain confidence the longer he is the owl suit. Malin Ackerman: Silk Spectre II, Ackerman is made to look like a Vogue model form the 80's, which suits the character well. She conveys the sense of woman transitioning from being in the shadow of Dr. Manhattan to striking out on her and finding her identity. She gives her a sensuality that is just bubbling beneath the surface, the more punches and roundhouse kicks she lands, the hotter and hotter she gets. Billy Cruddup: Dr. Manhattan, Let me start off by saying the special effects on him are better than I ever hoped they could be. I never envisioned Cruddup playing Jon Osterman, but he is excellent. He plays him a scientist who is losing his touch with humanity. He makes him brilliant but disconnected, a god who was once human not sure if he should remain on Earth. Matthew Goode: Ozymandias, I was ready to hate him, he is the character that looks least like his counterpart in the book. I actually liked in pseudo German-inflected accent. He played Ozy with an arrogance and brilliance that necessary to the character. Also Goode was quite capable at pulling of the physicality of the role. Though I expected to hate bleached-blonde Aristocrat with the Alexander complex, he won me over. The musically score of the movie by Tyler Bates is filled with 80's synth and rock that frame the movie in the right decade, but it also used 60's rebellion anthems several times in the movie. There is even some Muzak, that is used very subtly. Its a very eclectic score that shows the variety of themes playing out in the movie And lastly, Snyder did a masterful job, he touched on nearly every aspect of the Watchmen universe, whether overtly of subtly. I get the feeling that a longer version movie on DVD, might give more details like more of the New Frontiersman and Hollis Mason. Still, this does reduce the success of this movie, in anyway. This a brave blue balls out (pun intended) movie that pulls no punches. It feels very much at times like an Art House movie on steroids. You do not see Hollywood making such brazen movies anymore. A lot has been said about the ending, I agree with my pal Si Bob, it fits the movie narrative better. And most importantly, it keeps the same theme from the book, which is all it has to do. I honestly do not know how audiences, who have become accustomed to super hero movies, will embrace such a thought provoking story. I hope they do. And honestly that's what movies should do. A good movie should leave you with plenty of questions and theories that you find yourself discussing in a parking lot into the wee hours of the morning, like me and my friends did. If you want to see a movie that pushes and smashes the boundaries, of what super hero stories should look and sound like. I implore you to go watch the Watchmen, it will provide the Watchmen movie thread ammunition for months to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The NZA Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 well, BENDIS! didnt like it, and he's cooler than all of youse. its not the disaster the trades are making it out to be, but it is a fascinating failure. it has some truly great parts to it. all the rorshach and niteowl stuff, moloch... it's all great. but when it slavishly holds to the book it falls flat on it's ass. humorless, flat, passionateless. when it decides to be a movie, it sings. but it is the victim of some truly bad choices made in pre production. as seen on the movie posters and trailers, dr. manhattan does not work. it looks like a rejected character from soul caliber circa ps2. it's a distractingly bad effect that hurts what looks like a pretty great turn by billy crudup. same with some of the costumes, or at least how they were lit. every ten minutes or so it veers into sci fi channel original programming bad. only to be saved a few minutes later by some visual kick assery. i was not bored. not even for a second. but as we walked out of the movie the words: too long, too long, too long echoes through the theatre. i didn't care. it only points out that the movie shouldn't have been a movie, maybe a longer mini series. maybe the director should have gone with his first instinct and not even bothered. like chinatown 2 and godfather 3, this movie was inevitable. none of those movies are bad btw, just judged by thier weakest parts. alan moore's name is not to be found, and that is truth in advertising. at least we'll get an end ot the alan moore: i don't read comics or go see movies because i know they all suck interviews. they make me feel bad for him. i will now take these lessons and apply them to the powers pilot. i'm not dc bashing, loved dark knight. and i really hope you guys go and see it. it's very much worth your time and money. its a hell of a conversation piece. that said, im going with the IMAX group on friday, but it cant be good cause bendis wrote daredevil, ultimate spider-man and such so he's > you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiis558 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 So Rorschach does get killed by Doc Manhattan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benz Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 This film was amazing! I can't wait to read Watchmen now! I'm 100% with DK on this, he wrote a great review. Bendis is great at comics, not movie reviews. Also, I totally agree with Arch, Bish: I'm amazed that this wasn't rated NC-17. Though when I have kids they won't be seeing R rated movies till I think they're old enough. That's kinda the responsible thing to do... Dr. Manhattan puts John Holmes and Blackzilla to shame. Best ad for Viagra ever. Wanna be big like the blue man? Take the blue pill! LOL Rorshach was awesome! Probably my favorite character in the whole movie! The cafeteria scene was awesome! Boiling hot grease to the face for the win! "I'm not locked in here with you...you're all locked in here with me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopcruz Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm expecting that this film is really going to split opinions. Bendis isn't entirely wrong about the length, but oddly enough, it works in the film, probably because it adds to the growing sense of discomfort that grows as it progresses. It is a methodical film, much as the GN was methodical as well. If you were to cut any more of the film, and you definitely could, it would be a more traditional, Hollywood superhero film. I think then it would have failed, in comparison to what Snyder wanted to do. Would it have been better as a mini? Probably, though the budget would have been prohibitive. As a film, it works at subverting the Hollywood vision of a superhero film. And that's why I think it will split people. Structurally if does not follow the usual narrative track. Anyone going in expecting that is likely to come away disappointed. As more and more reviewers see the film, you can see the tomatometer on this one inch downwards from 71 when I first saw it, to the sixties. Of the 'top critics' it is getting an abysmal 30% fresh or so. I understand why, if you don't get superhero flicks in the first place, you probably won't like it. I hope this movie does well though, Snyder and crew have really put their hearts into this bitch, and WB made a hell of a gamble on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Kaniggit Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Very scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Hightower Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Oh man, that was great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopcruz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I was gonna post that one myself, but I see you beat me to it. It ranks right up there with the American Akira. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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